The Mama Podcast

12. Your childs' gut health and how to help them thrive with Momina Salim, Pediatric Health Coach

October 12, 2020 Sumayya Sarwar
The Mama Podcast
12. Your childs' gut health and how to help them thrive with Momina Salim, Pediatric Health Coach
Show Notes Transcript

Have you ever wondered why gut health is so important for us and our children? And with all the supplements on the shelves today, which ones should our children be taking?

Momina is a Certified Functional Medicine Health Coach who specialises in paediatrics. This conversation with Momina digs deeper into what gut health is, why it's so important and what we can do for our children to have optimal health.

Connect with Momina on Instagram @momina_salim_coaching

We love hearing from you, contact us, email: hello@mymamaapp.com

Download the Mama ME app on Apple or Android, Find the links on the website
www.mymamaapp.com

Social media: @mymamaapp




Intro music: www.bensound.com

00:03

hi mama you're listening to the mama

00:05

podcast it's Sumayya here the co-founder

00:08

of mama ME app

00:10

mama me is the first app to exclusively

00:12

connect mothers

00:13

across the middle east connect with

00:15

like-minded mamas and create

00:17

lifelong friendships at mama we are all

00:20

about connecting mamas

00:21

to empower women so let's join together

00:24

and make this mission

00:25

a reality in this week's episode i am

00:28

joined by the wonderful mommy

00:30

nur she is a certified functional

00:32

medicine health coach

00:33

and she specializes in pediatrics

00:37

we talk all about gut health and

00:40

everything else

00:41

to help maintain a healthy child so

00:44

let's get stuck

00:45

writing welcome omino to the mama

00:47

podcast i'm so happy to have you with me

00:51

thank you i'm really excited as well so

00:54

um

00:54

yeah your journey has been really

00:56

interesting and i know you shared it

00:57

with me

00:58

but i think it'll be great to start off

00:59

with actually sharing your journey

01:02

and with how you got to becoming a

01:05

health coach

01:06

and more specifically why pediatric

01:08

health coach

01:09

and just for our listeners so they can

01:11

understand what got you there

01:13

yeah um so i got into the health

01:16

coaching space

01:17

um through my own journey of dealing

01:20

with autoimmune disease and so

01:22

um i had my son and then i think six

01:24

months after that i had like a really

01:26

bad bout

01:26

of of pneumonia which seemed to have

01:29

triggered a cascade

01:31

of autoimmune conditions

01:34

and just really struggling for two two

01:37

and a half years of going to doctors and

01:39

trying to figure

01:40

out what was wrong you know just going

01:43

and getting

01:44

all manner of tests and where they did

01:46

not have any other tests to run

01:47

on me anymore so that was pretty

01:49

comprehensive

01:51

and nothing was wrong but i just was

01:54

feeling worse

01:55

every single day in addition to having

01:57

to take care of a

01:58

of an infant it was just it was a

02:01

struggle bus every single day

02:03

um you know there was depression and

02:05

there was brain fog and then there was

02:07

just on top

02:08

of that like all of the headaches and

02:10

migraines so it was quite debilitating

02:11

and

02:13

um and i reached a point where i thought

02:14

okay conventional care does not have

02:17

the answer for this so i really need to

02:18

go and start looking

02:20

where else i can seek out some answers

02:23

and that's really where functional

02:24

medicine came

02:25

in and i think one of the first steps

02:28

that

02:29

in function medicine that we do which is

02:31

really looking at your whole

02:32

body in a very integrative holistic way

02:35

so we look

02:36

at not just what's physiologically

02:38

happening

02:39

happening but things like sleep and mood

02:42

and relationships and antecedents so

02:44

basically what my genetics look like

02:46

what my parents went through what their

02:48

body and their illnesses etc are like

02:50

um and kind of just looking at all of

02:53

that

02:53

and we started off with um just putting

02:56

me on a simple elimination diet to see

02:59

you know if we can just give a reset

03:01

with

03:02

food triggers and food sensitivities and

03:05

really that was like the aha moment

03:07

right when i went off of gluten and

03:09

dairy

03:10

within days i you know i felt like i was

03:13

looking at

03:14

life with a new spectrum like it just

03:17

looked so bright and

03:19

everything was making sense i could hear

03:21

birds chirp outside of like

03:22

our apartment it just was it was

03:25

different and

03:26

um it was something that i had forgotten

03:28

about

03:29

and that kind of let me down this path

03:32

of you know if this helped me like

03:34

imagine how many other people it can

03:36

help

03:36

um and so that's where i went into the

03:39

function medicine

03:40

health coaching program um to help

03:43

families and help people just understand

03:46

um you know that there are firstly

03:48

options available to help them

03:50

and then that we are there and that

03:53

there's someone there with them

03:54

to kind of hold their hand through the

03:56

whole journey because a lot of times we

03:57

go to doctors we only see them for

03:59

if we're lucky maybe 10 minutes and they

04:02

give us like this huge list of things to

04:03

do

04:04

and we're on our way and we are kind of

04:06

overwhelmed and i remember being

04:08

overwhelmed when i have to go on my

04:10

um you know elimination diet like what

04:13

all do i

04:14

cut out what foods have these triggering

04:17

ingredients in them like is there gluten

04:19

in everything

04:20

is there milk and everything can i eat

04:21

chocolate chips can i

04:23

have soy sauce like small things like

04:25

that and just being cognizant about

04:27

those things because they were

04:28

um they were you know they were having

04:31

big a big impact on my health

04:33

um and so just starting off with that

04:37

journey

04:38

and getting on that year-long course um

04:41

initially i wasn't sure whether i wanted

04:43

to work with the pediatric population or

04:45

what my niche was going to be

04:47

but as i dug deeper and kind of

04:50

tried to see where my inspiration and

04:53

where you know when i feel the most

04:54

excited working with

04:56

um and that population was just children

04:59

um

04:59

and not just small children but even

05:01

adolescents and

05:02

in their teens and then late teens just

05:05

working with that population

05:06

just i feel like i i get along with them

05:08

so well it's like a blast

05:10

so um and i've always worked with that

05:13

um with that group i've worked with

05:14

pregnant women

05:16

and children um in my previous life so

05:18

when i was a public health

05:20

researcher and so it was just something

05:23

that i naturally gravitated towards

05:25

um i was i've been in the works of kind

05:28

of figuring out what kind of a

05:30

non-profit children's hospital to set up

05:32

in pakistan where i'm originally from

05:35

so it just kind of made sense right um

05:38

working with children

05:39

and just trying to help and then the

05:41

more that i started digging into the

05:43

need

05:44

for being a pediatric coach firstly

05:46

there aren't too many of us

05:49

and then the few of us that we are like

05:51

the problems in children

05:52

are just exponential right now um we

05:56

are we have kids we're basically in a

05:58

generation now where our kids are called

06:00

the compromise generation um and that's

06:04

scary

06:05

because this they're saying for the

06:07

first time

06:08

our generation will be our kids

06:10

generation sorry will be the first to

06:12

have

06:13

shorter life spans than us parents

06:16

oh wow and that's scary and that's

06:19

because

06:20

of the health conditions that they're

06:22

now dealing with

06:23

so there are a lot of chronic illnesses

06:25

so before

06:26

um if you looked in like the early 1900s

06:30

or all the way up to maybe even like

06:32

the 60s the 70s there were a lot of um

06:36

infectious diseases and that's what was

06:38

either killing our children

06:39

and and and the grown-ups but as time

06:42

has gone by

06:43

the disease is like diseases have

06:45

shifted and they're more and like

06:47

chronic illness

06:48

and what do i call chronic illness we

06:50

have kids now with

06:52

diabetes with asthma with autism with

06:55

adhd we have kids with

06:57

ms we have kids with other neuro

07:01

generative liking disorders we have um

07:04

kids with um with just so many

07:07

intolerances insensitivities to food

07:10

we've got kids with allergies to to hay

07:13

or

07:13

to grass or to dust there's so much

07:16

eczema going on

07:18

with our kids and we just don't know

07:21

why and so that's where like this entire

07:24

paradigm

07:25

has come in where function medicine is

07:27

really focusing on giving an

07:29

alternative answer to parents to help

07:32

yeah and i think

07:33

so i've discussed my journey with you so

07:36

i just want to take you back a few steps

07:37

and just ask you firstly how old is your

07:39

son now

07:40

so how how long did you actually have to

07:42

suffer with your own

07:43

autoimmune um well i mean was it an

07:46

autoimmune condition

07:47

yes so and and the funny thing about my

07:49

autoimmune was that every doctor i went

07:51

to

07:51

every specialty they had a different

07:53

name but it all fell under autoimmune so

07:56

everyone said you i had a different kind

07:58

okay um but my son now he turns four in

08:01

november

08:01

so um this entire journey started when

08:05

he wasn't yet one i think um exactly

08:08

three years ago today

08:10

um and i started my food uh my

08:13

elimination diet last year so i think

08:15

it was march or april and and to say

08:18

that it's been a quick turnaround would

08:20

be hard because it's

08:22

been it's been work right to really just

08:25

change your entire

08:27

diet your lifestyle um it takes work and

08:30

it takes

08:30

and it's hard like going out to

08:32

restaurants etc is not so easy anymore

08:35

uh bringing in certain products at home

08:37

is not easy anymore right we'll go to

08:39

birthday parties and dinners and

08:40

people have to make um

08:44

adjustments um and and now more like

08:47

my son is dairy free we don't give him

08:49

milk um

08:50

and we kind of limit his gluten intake

08:54

but even for him like going out to

08:56

parties and friends and

08:58

playdates we have to be careful with

09:00

what we're giving him

09:03

and so it does it takes work and with

09:05

him it took me

09:06

so it was almost two years of just

09:09

struggle

09:10

like it was it was hard um we decided to

09:12

put him in nursery

09:13

really early i think at the age of like

09:15

um a year and a half

09:18

because i just could not cope i felt

09:20

like i wasn't giving him what he needed

09:23

um you know i did not have the energy to

09:25

sit and do crafts

09:27

or to do like sensory play and those

09:29

kinds of things and

09:30

i just thought that you know i couldn't

09:33

do that at home and i had to give him

09:35

an environment where i felt like he

09:37

could flourish and so sending him to

09:38

nursery was

09:39

like the best option because it gave me

09:42

those three or four hours

09:43

every morning to either go to doctors

09:47

or different appointments to get

09:49

different you know treatment plans

09:51

sorted out it was just it really

09:54

really helped so hats off to you to

09:57

actually recognize that because i think

09:59

some moms wouldn't even recognize that

10:01

they need to do that and take that step

10:03

to

10:04

actually put their daughter or sorry

10:06

it's your son sorry in

10:08

nursery and actually take that time to

10:10

actually figure out what's going on with

10:11

you

10:12

because i think that's really important

10:14

sometimes we really forget that part and

10:15

so

10:16

it's amazing that you did that and i

10:18

mean you did 18 months my daughter went

10:20

to nursery when she was 11 months so

10:22

you know i think it's like early is

10:24

based on what what society tells us

10:27

sometimes

10:28

you really have to decide what's right

10:29

for you and your family

10:31

but it's incredible that you actually

10:32

gave yourself that time

10:34

um because i think some parents and some

10:37

mothers will just kind of bear with it

10:39

just because they've got other things

10:40

going on

10:41

so that's incredible um you mentioned

10:45

something

10:46

quite interesting with regards to your

10:48

son and him not having dairy and gluten

10:51

is that because of your learning and

10:53

your sort of what you've learned or is

10:55

that something that he

10:56

suffered with and so you decided to go

10:58

down that route

11:00

so it started off um so we used to give

11:03

him milk

11:03

almost still like a year and a half or

11:06

two years

11:07

but you know it wasn't like over time he

11:09

kind of reduced his quantity to like

11:11

just drinking a little bit

11:12

at night before bed um but the more i

11:16

started getting into this and just

11:17

studying and reading about um the

11:20

sensitivity of

11:21

of various foods and what it's doing to

11:23

our bodies

11:24

we just decided that as a family we were

11:26

all like my husband and i were both

11:28

already dairy free

11:29

that we would just kind of not bring in

11:31

milk only for him and just transition

11:33

all of his like smoothies

11:35

and whatever food preparation that we

11:37

were doing to like dairy-free milk

11:39

and yeah sorry i was just going to say

11:42

it really isn't as

11:43

difficult as it used to be i mean my

11:46

daughter's dairy-free as well

11:47

for different reasons i mean my daughter

11:50

has

11:50

a cow's milk allergy which is apparently

11:54

pretty common and most children

11:56

grow out of it um but we didn't know for

11:59

a very long time so until

12:01

i have dairy in my diet and so even when

12:02

i was breastfeeding

12:04

there was dairy in her obviously diet

12:06

because of the breast milk

12:08

and so she was constipated for days like

12:11

we would go

12:12

seven to ten days of not her not going

12:15

to the bathroom

12:16

and obviously with breastfed kids this

12:19

they go like four

12:20

four times a day some of them right like

12:23

they go so frequently

12:24

and she just was constipated for weeks

12:26

on end to the point where we were having

12:28

to take her to

12:29

the hospital and then they were giving

12:31

her suppositories to help her go and i

12:33

like i knew that wasn't normal but we

12:35

just didn't know what the cause was

12:37

until we eventually figured out and we

12:39

only figured out when we started

12:40

introducing formula into her diet

12:43

that we realized that the symptoms got

12:44

much worse and then we kind of and this

12:47

was

12:47

very much on me me figuring out that

12:50

actually i think it's a cow's milk

12:51

allergy and it's when i then went to the

12:53

doctor and said look i've done this this

12:55

and this i've tried this

12:56

this i've even tried the hypoallergenic

12:59

milks

13:00

and that they don't help either and i'm

13:02

i feel that

13:03

she may have cow's milk allergy is when

13:05

they actually then sent me to a

13:06

dietitian

13:07

and i spoke to a dietitian and we went

13:09

down that route until that point it i

13:11

was just kept like they said

13:13

it was colic or that it was normal to be

13:15

constipated

13:16

so it's really interesting that you

13:18

mentioned that and this isn't anything

13:20

against medicine

13:22

um and no disrespect to any of my doctor

13:25

friends that might be listening to this

13:26

because they do incredible work but i

13:29

think

13:30

nutrition and that aspect of it is just

13:32

something that isn't integrated

13:34

into the training at the moment um so

13:36

this is where functional medicine really

13:38

works and helps because

13:40

i think you can really work alongside

13:41

medical professionals to help

13:43

a person sort of get to that stage yeah

13:46

and you bring up something really

13:48

important the fact that um medicine now

13:51

is at such a different crossroads right

13:54

even like our doctors and everyone's

13:56

talking about this

13:57

there's so many doctors that are going

13:59

into function medicine training and

14:00

coming out as function medicine

14:02

practitioners

14:03

because of the need and they're seeing

14:05

this there's more information

14:06

put out there so we're all coming across

14:09

all of that

14:10

and so there's this realization in the

14:12

medical field that we need

14:13

that extra training whether it's just

14:15

nutrition or

14:17

or the different lens from which to look

14:19

at wellness from

14:20

you mentioned colic and your daughter or

14:22

that the doctors

14:23

were blaming colic for it um my son had

14:27

it

14:27

and everyone said it was normal right

14:29

that this is something that kids

14:31

go through but it's actually not right

14:34

when you start looking at it from like a

14:35

functional medicine perspective it is

14:37

not

14:37

common i mean it's common but it's not

14:40

normal

14:40

and and why is it not normal because

14:43

it's basically the body screaming out

14:45

symptoms saying that there's something

14:46

wrong

14:48

work on it figure it out and work on it

14:50

like you said your daughter was

14:52

constipated for so long and and my son

14:54

had that there was a point where my son

14:56

did not poop for 10 days and

14:58

i was just after my doctor like what's

15:00

wrong

15:01

and he said it was normal but just wait

15:03

it out like you know he'll poop

15:04

eventually

15:05

it's not normal and it's one of my

15:08

favorite questions to ask

15:09

um anyone that i'm working with is

15:12

how often do you poop what does it look

15:15

like

15:17

and you know how does it feel right like

15:19

when you're pooping

15:20

is it easy is it difficult is it painful

15:23

it's it's a

15:24

it's a difficult like i everyone laughs

15:26

when i ask that question because it's

15:27

just

15:27

it's not an acceptable kind of a

15:29

question to ask like you know

15:31

when you're speaking to somebody but

15:33

it's very very important because it's

15:35

really like the primary key to

15:37

understand what is wrong

15:39

with your body and our body is always

15:42

looking at signs and symptoms

15:43

and giving us those and it's for us to

15:45

really interpret them

15:46

to understand what's going on and i

15:50

think you

15:50

mentioned something really important

15:52

there that actually if it doesn't feel

15:54

right

15:55

it there's something wrong right like i

15:57

knew when my daughter was crying for

15:59

like you know it was a very long time

16:01

she would cry and a really high pitched

16:03

cry and i knew deep down there was

16:05

something wrong but having never had a

16:07

child before

16:08

and the doctors are telling you it's

16:09

normal you kind of doubt yourself

16:12

but actually if it doesn't feel right

16:14

there's something probably wrong

16:16

yeah and one of the main things that we

16:18

as um like

16:19

pediatric function medicine doctors take

16:22

into account

16:22

is looking at um mama or

16:26

parents instincts and and trying to take

16:29

that into consideration because

16:31

many many times it is really the parents

16:33

who are spending

16:34

the bulk of the time with the kids so

16:36

they kind of know

16:38

what when one cry like you said was

16:39

different than another

16:41

or whether they're starting to act off

16:43

and you just don't

16:44

you can't put a finger on it but it just

16:46

doesn't seem right anymore

16:47

or that their color doesn't look good or

16:49

that they're trying to pick up like dark

16:51

circles or that they're wrinkling under

16:53

the eyes they get a new rash

16:55

really like we really need to rely

16:59

on our parents instincts more and that's

17:02

what they teach us

17:03

especially in our intake forms they're

17:04

like go and ask the parents

17:07

what's wrong first what do they think is

17:09

going on

17:10

not because we're giving up our medical

17:13

degrees or anything like that

17:14

but we're really leaning into

17:18

our own understanding of what's wrong

17:21

right we can tell better what our

17:23

triggers are because we live with

17:25

ourselves and our kids

17:26

on a near-daily basis and so we need

17:29

that feedback to really help us

17:31

understand

17:32

the underlying issues that they're there

17:36

and i mean we've mentioned gluten and

17:38

dairy here and it doesn't mean that

17:40

everyone needs to take out gluten and

17:42

dairy because that's also another common

17:44

misunderstanding isn't it that gluten

17:47

and dairy are the causes of all of these

17:48

things and they are for some people

17:50

but for others they may not be the

17:52

trigger foods is that right

17:54

and that's true um you know not everyone

17:56

is celiac but then

17:57

we have so many kids now who have atopi

18:01

and that's basically

18:02

allergies and what are those allergies

18:04

they can be food allergies as well and

18:05

have sensitivities to food

18:08

having said that it's just that the milk

18:10

and the gluten and the wheat that we're

18:12

consuming now is

18:13

very very very different in its

18:15

structure in its form and its nutrition

18:17

to what we were eating uh to what our

18:20

families were eating or our grandparents

18:22

were eating it just

18:23

is not the same and because of that

18:27

our bodies have not really evolved to

18:29

adapt to the modern

18:31

farming practices so we're not really

18:33

able to

18:34

really fully digest or

18:38

make sense of what's going into our

18:40

bodies and so our body in many

18:42

in many cases is seeing these foods as

18:45

as a trigger or as in as a pathogen or

18:47

something as

18:48

an invader and the immune system in the

18:51

body the first thing it does is

18:52

it just tries to attack that invader and

18:54

says like it's time to go like bye-bye

18:57

but it's when we keep eating these

18:58

things day in and day out

19:00

is when we're like just our bodies are

19:03

reached at like a max point where

19:05

it just cannot deal with that constant

19:08

overload

19:09

of those invaders and that's where we

19:11

start really feeling

19:13

sick because our immune system starts

19:14

depressing and getting

19:16

really weak and and over time it just

19:19

becomes

19:20

into autoimmunity where our bodies are

19:23

just

19:24

are just depleted not just in nutrients

19:26

but in its

19:27

in its function and its ability to

19:29

protect us

19:31

yeah i mean so when is this when you

19:35

start to see the adhd

19:36

the um asthma the all the other sort of

19:39

conditions you mentioned earlier

19:41

yeah and so a lot of times it's when you

19:45

um so because these kids a lot of times

19:48

are not able to either express what

19:49

they're

19:50

what they're going through and

19:51

especially kids with autism they're not

19:52

very verbal

19:54

um and so when the when you ask the

19:56

parents for history and they're gonna be

19:58

like oh there was that point where the

19:59

kids stopped talking

20:01

or the kids started um you know just

20:04

like the body was

20:05

flappy and wasn't just like reacting or

20:08

for adhd a lot of times once they hit

20:10

school so around the four five six age

20:12

group

20:13

um that when they have to go and sit in

20:15

the class and just

20:16

you know conform to like a normal school

20:19

system

20:20

is when you're triggered and you see

20:23

that you know the kid there's

20:24

more hyper uh behavior in that child so

20:27

they're more hypersensitive

20:28

um and so with different things you'll

20:31

have triggers at different points but

20:33

the idea

20:34

is that the body starts giving you signs

20:36

and symptoms

20:37

much sooner and it could and a lot of

20:41

times we say that all of this really

20:42

stems from your our gut

20:45

and so we'll get a lot of stomach

20:47

related issues

20:48

or headaches in kids okay and so

20:51

you feel that things like the behavioral

20:54

conditions such as adhd and autism

20:57

they're not neurological are they do you

21:00

feel that they are something

21:01

that that can they be resolved is my

21:03

question i guess

21:05

so the new research that's coming out

21:07

and especially with the way that

21:09

function medicine is looking at it

21:10

they're saying that it can be resolved

21:13

and reversed

21:14

if the investigation is done correctly

21:16

right so there are certain

21:18

um things that were that everyone is

21:20

looking at especially like there are a

21:22

lot of

21:22

champions in autism and again

21:25

one of the underlying um rule is that

21:28

you work

21:29

with the parents to understand what the

21:31

kid is going through

21:32

but you basically look at not just the

21:35

genetic

21:37

susceptibilities but also look at the

21:39

function so we start off with the gut we

21:41

try to see why some of these kids their

21:44

energy cycle

21:46

is is compromised and so a lot of times

21:49

it's stemming from

21:51

nutrient deficiencies or deficiencies of

21:54

hormones and cofactors and enzymes that

21:57

play

21:57

vital roles in the processes of

22:00

just providing us energy and making

22:02

enough atp

22:04

right and so when those things when the

22:06

deficiencies in that

22:07

is really um what helps highlight

22:11

um you know areas to work on and kind of

22:14

um move towards uh reversing it

22:18

especially

22:19

a lot of times an example that i that

22:21

i've seen and and

22:23

it's just it's amazing that a lot of

22:25

autistic kids the moment you put them

22:26

off of a gluten

22:28

and dairy diet they within days they

22:31

start talking

22:32

and the parents are just amazed they're

22:35

like my kid was a mute and now he's

22:37

saying like two or three words

22:39

it's just that when you reduce that that

22:41

toxic load on their body

22:44

their the body is able to start like you

22:46

know revving because our bodies are

22:48

designed

22:49

to to fix itself to work and and

22:52

you know we're not supposed to live in

22:54

the state that we are at all times and i

22:56

think i'm

22:56

i'm an example of that um like you said

22:59

your daughter

23:00

what you know she had her issues and so

23:03

over time

23:04

when you address certain triggers

23:07

and you reduce the load on the body and

23:09

the immune system you really

23:10

start to see results yeah i

23:14

i mean i've been a witness to that as

23:16

well i mean she

23:18

as soon as we stopped dairy within a

23:20

couple of weeks we noticed a huge

23:22

difference to the point now where if she

23:24

has

23:25

you know she's going somewhere and

23:26

someone gives her a small piece of

23:28

chocolate or something that has a little

23:29

bit of milk inside it

23:31

she can tolerate it now but

23:34

it still has an impact on how her body

23:37

functions after

23:38

and she used to get sick all the time

23:41

before to the point where she was sick

23:44

every single week and and you know like

23:46

you think it's because

23:47

they're young and they go to nursery and

23:49

they're going to catch everything

23:50

but she was sick a lot and so when we

23:52

saw our functional health coach and

23:55

and they went in the dietitian and we

23:57

went they went through like what the

23:59

reason was and she explained exactly

24:01

what you're explaining where

24:02

your body's sort of overwhelmed with the

24:04

toxins and you're constantly fighting

24:07

your body never gets a chance to rest

24:09

repair and so

24:10

she used to get sick over and over and

24:12

over again and

24:13

the sickness lasted a very long time as

24:15

well and i noticed that

24:17

since we cut out dairy that that has

24:19

reduced drastically as well it's like

24:21

her immune system is stronger

24:23

yeah yeah and it's true and and you

24:25

brought up something important

24:27

that our bodies constantly under stress

24:29

right and

24:30

because of that stress and you know that

24:32

state of just like really high cortisol

24:35

levels in our bodies and our kids go

24:37

through that as well

24:38

we are seeing a lot of um depression and

24:41

anxiety

24:42

and and stress in our kids and really

24:46

really young kids where kids

24:49

in like the 5 to 10 age group are also

24:53

having massive anxiety attacks

24:56

right so it's it's quite alarming

24:58

because it just kind of feeds into

25:01

the kind of lifestyle that we have right

25:03

um

25:04

and and the kids are constantly like

25:06

just soaking it all in

25:08

um and a lot of times kids are not able

25:11

to connect the dots like us

25:12

adults are able to right they just don't

25:14

know um

25:16

and and because of that they can't

25:18

regulate their behavior as well so it's

25:20

kind of easier also with kids to

25:22

identify issues

25:23

it's because of that their lack of

25:25

regulation of how to behave

25:28

um but in that sense it's also quite

25:31

frustrating to see your kid go through

25:33

that

25:33

right um we don't want and we don't want

25:35

anyone's kid to have to

25:36

to deal with hypersensitive sensitivity

25:39

or

25:40

even like the basic things like eczema

25:43

or

25:43

anxiety or just you know constantly

25:46

feeling overwhelmed

25:47

and not having an outlet for any of that

25:50

and so you think

25:51

i mean anxiety right now is i mean there

25:53

are so many studies coming out right now

25:55

which is

25:56

covering anxiety particularly because of

25:58

obviously what we've been dealing with

26:00

as

26:00

the world has been dealing with so do

26:03

you think it's more of the lifestyle

26:04

choices that are adding to the anxiety

26:07

so yeah food plays a big role right so

26:09

what kind of

26:10

food that we're eating again has such an

26:14

important

26:15

role in like the cascade of of just

26:19

basic function and if i can just give a

26:21

small example so

26:23

our stomach has all of these

26:26

good bacteria and bad bacteria but

26:28

predominantly good bacteria

26:30

and one of those bugs makes something

26:34

called butyrate and butyrate is an

26:36

essential component

26:37

for something made uh in our brain so

26:40

it's called serotonin it's a

26:41

neurotransmitter

26:42

that controls our mood so imagine if our

26:45

stomach

26:46

is not in like optimal condition we're

26:48

not making butyrate to make serotonin

26:51

we're just not feeling good right and

26:54

that's really kind of leading into

26:56

um just being either depressed or angry

26:58

or sad and just

27:00

not knowing why it's a very straight

27:02

physiological

27:04

um example of how our lifestyle is

27:08

affecting all of that

27:09

right um small things our kids are

27:11

always

27:12

are predominantly consuming a lot of

27:15

tv or you know phones and ipads and

27:18

they're just constantly surrounded by

27:20

all of these things

27:21

and the effects of that on our bodies

27:23

just like the emf radiation that our

27:25

kids are

27:26

eating and and soaking up constantly

27:29

those

27:29

also have a very direct impact

27:32

on on our health and then in addition to

27:36

that

27:36

you know how much time are they actually

27:38

spending outdoors or with family and

27:41

actually building connections and so all

27:43

of those things kind of

27:44

play a part in a piece in that lifestyle

27:47

that you're talking about there's so

27:49

many different elements to address

27:50

and you would go through all of that if

27:52

someone came to you as a client

27:54

yes and and a lot more like sleep and

27:58

relationships and you know just basic um

28:01

everyday life things that the kid feels

28:04

overwhelmed with so

28:05

the children that are slightly older um

28:07

they're able to verbalize

28:09

what they're going through a lot better

28:11

but the kids that are younger

28:12

um you know we would try to regulate

28:14

their schedules with the parents such

28:16

that we can really set them up for the

28:19

best so a kid who maybe is not sleeping

28:21

well enough or is not sleeping through

28:22

the night or

28:23

is having very disturbed sleep they will

28:26

have issues when they wake up in the

28:27

morning so kind of just working with

28:30

fixing that circadian rhythm in children

28:32

make sure to sleep

28:33

on time wake up at the same time you

28:36

know that they're fed well and then

28:38

understand if they're not sleeping well

28:40

why are they not sleeping well

28:41

right so it's just really working

28:44

through

28:45

the very many pieces of that child's

28:48

life

28:49

and making my way through that with the

28:50

families yeah

28:52

and i think yeah you mentioned they're

28:54

not sleeping

28:55

well when they're not feeling well and

28:57

that's that was exactly the same with

28:59

our daughter as well she would have

29:00

really restless sleeps um she would wake

29:03

up so many times in the night

29:04

and it as soon as we cut out the dairy

29:07

we noticed the difference

29:08

like it was incredible to see how much

29:10

of an impact it was actually having on

29:12

her

29:12

body and i guess they're so young and

29:14

they're so small like

29:16

we're really if we're adding toxins to

29:18

their body

29:19

it's it's really incredible and this

29:21

isn't to say that all dairy is bad for

29:23

everybody

29:24

but some for some children it is i'm

29:27

fine with dairy

29:28

my daughter's not so it's really

29:30

interesting to see that different people

29:32

react different differently to different

29:34

things um

29:36

just because we're talking about dairy i

29:38

had a question more for a personal

29:39

question

29:40

but what would you advise is a good

29:42

alternative to

29:43

dairy then so they have um

29:47

for kids i've seen a lot of people

29:48

giving them the

29:50

pea protein yeah because it's really

29:52

high in protein right so one of the

29:54

reasons why

29:55

a lot of parents like to give milk to

29:56

kids is because of not just protein but

29:59

it being a calcium source um and so

30:02

i really don't recommend giving a lot of

30:04

like almond milk or almond or oat milk

30:07

and those kinds of things

30:08

so really trying to look at alternative

30:10

sources of

30:11

food and try to give your kid a more

30:13

balanced diet so

30:15

we can get a lot of calcium from um

30:18

from broccoli and you know and other

30:21

food sources like

30:23

peppers and and spinach and like so our

30:25

food is just really

30:26

food dense um sesame seeds have like a

30:29

quarter cup of sesame seeds has

30:31

more calcium than um a glass of milk so

30:35

we have like all these alternate food

30:38

items that we can eat that we can just

30:39

really nourish our kids with

30:41

um in in our house when we move our kid

30:44

away from

30:45

my son from having milk i mean we do

30:48

give it to like we will give him

30:50

like a milk alternative if he wants like

30:52

chocolate milk for example

30:54

we'll make some in an oat milk or almond

30:56

milk but it's kind of like a treat every

30:58

now and then

30:59

um we try to move him away from using

31:01

milk as a

31:02

as a primary source of nutrition but i

31:05

do understand that there are some kids

31:06

that are under two

31:07

that are very emotionally attached to

31:09

their milk and so for them

31:12

giving them uh like an alternate like

31:14

pea protein

31:15

milk is is a great idea because it's

31:17

high in protein for them if they're

31:19

still not eating

31:20

a ton yeah i mean we transitioned my

31:22

daughter when she was about eight

31:24

eight to nine months is when we stopped

31:26

giving her um

31:27

like formula and so it was p protein

31:30

that we

31:31

sort of switched to she loves oat milk

31:34

i guess because it's quite creamy

31:35

tasting but pea milk is actually some

31:38

brands of pea

31:39

milk are like i think they taste good as

31:41

well and she drinks it so it's fine

31:43

um also we compare it to normal milk and

31:47

obviously

31:48

they don't because they don't know what

31:49

right now it tastes like exactly

31:51

yeah but another interesting thing

31:53

though is um that we also look at

31:55

where the milk allergy is coming from so

31:57

whether these kids are either lactose

32:00

intolerant or whether these kids have an

32:02

allergy to casein

32:04

so a lot of cow's milk is um

32:07

we get a1 casein from cow's milk

32:11

but we can get a2 casein um from goat's

32:14

milk sheep's milk

32:15

or other like this this camel milk as

32:17

well um and so

32:19

we can tolerate those milks a lot a lot

32:22

a lot better

32:23

than than cow's milk so we could always

32:26

also

32:27

convert just drinking cow's milk to goat

32:30

milk or sheep's milk

32:32

or even camel milk which is supposed to

32:34

be really good um

32:35

and and seeing how they react it

32:38

probably is because our bodies are not

32:40

exposed as much

32:41

to those milks the way that we are to

32:44

cow's milk

32:45

and it hasn't been changed as much okay

32:47

you know our cows are just

32:49

receiving so many different stimuli to

32:51

produce more and more milk

32:52

which goats and sheep milk are not

32:55

exposed to as much

32:56

and so for now that's also another great

32:59

alternative to explore

33:00

um so let's talk about probiotics

33:04

because i mean we hear about the gut

33:07

brain barrier

33:08

all the time and

33:11

yeah tell me more about probiotics what

33:13

are they how do they help

33:15

and yeah we'll go into what kind of

33:17

probiotics we should be using

33:20

so probiotics i like to have people

33:22

think about

33:23

there being good bucks in our stomach so

33:26

they basically and they're not just in

33:28

our tummy so they start from all the way

33:30

from our mouth

33:31

all the way down to um our rectum so

33:34

that entire pipe

33:36

which includes our stomach and our

33:38

intestines everything

33:39

and we have bugs there and so they're

33:41

called um

33:43

our microbiota so basically these

33:47

good bacteria are there to kind of help

33:49

us

33:50

starting from our mouth all the way down

33:53

in in various different capacities

33:55

they're there to digest our food

33:57

to maintain our ph um you know to access

34:00

cofactors

34:01

for various enzymes and

34:03

neurotransmitters

34:04

and hormones so they play a big role and

34:07

we have so many we put

34:09

millions and millions of these bacteria

34:12

in our body so

34:13

there's a joke that goes on in the

34:15

function medicine group that you know

34:16

we're actually more

34:18

bacteria than human because there's so

34:20

many more of them

34:21

in our body than our cells even

34:24

and so they're really important um

34:27

to keep a good balance of them so to

34:30

make sure that we have

34:32

more good to good gut bacteria than the

34:35

bad ones

34:36

but what tends to happen is that um

34:39

over time as our as we you know with

34:43

with food so we have sensitivities to

34:46

food

34:46

or we have all of these different toxins

34:49

and heavy metals that are coming into

34:51

our bodies

34:52

what that tends to do is create

34:54

something called dysbiosis and that's

34:56

like the

34:56

imbalance of the bacteria so there's a

34:59

lot more bad bacteria that we're having

35:01

rather than good and because of that

35:04

is really where we begin this casket of

35:07

feeling unwell

35:08

um and not having enough good bacteria

35:11

affects pretty much every function in

35:13

our body starting not just only from

35:15

digestion and absorption

35:17

of nutrients but like i said making

35:20

basic

35:20

vital you know hormones and enzymes and

35:24

other things like that

35:26

and so with probiotic it's very

35:29

important

35:30

to consume in our diet because it's

35:33

something that we don't

35:34

store um they're not they don't the good

35:37

thing is these bacteria they don't

35:38

pollinate our

35:39

our gut so you know if they're and

35:42

that's a good thing because if they're

35:43

the bad ones and if they start

35:44

pollinating

35:45

our gut then we have a massive problem

35:48

so we have to constantly provide our

35:50

body

35:51

with these sources of food um a lot of

35:54

times i like to recommend that families

35:56

just

35:56

use food as their sources of probiotics

36:00

so

36:00

i recommend using good qualities of

36:04

yogurt so greek yogurt is really high in

36:06

that i actually recommend that if we can

36:08

make our yogurt at home from live

36:10

cultures

36:11

um so the yogurt that we make at home

36:14

tends to be higher in probiotic by

36:17

millions and millions right so

36:19

um than the store-bought kind because in

36:22

the entire pasteurization process a lot

36:25

of the bacteria

36:26

is killed and so we don't really get the

36:29

benefit of it that we should be getting

36:32

the other sources are kefir grains or

36:34

kefir milk so we get a lot of that in

36:36

supermarkets now

36:38

for those that are dairy free they have

36:39

a coconut version of that

36:41

from coconut milk um then there's

36:43

sauerkraut and there's kimchi and eating

36:45

fermented foods

36:46

um and it's really just kind of

36:48

incorporating a lot of these fermented

36:51

foods in our bodies

36:52

so that we are bringing in those live

36:55

microorganisms so

36:56

all of those bacteria into our gut and

36:59

so that

37:00

it's a symbiotic relationship they get

37:02

food down there and we get all the

37:03

benefits that they do

37:04

so um it's really just kind of

37:08

adapting the way that we're seeing our

37:10

meals and making sure that we're adding

37:12

all of those good things to our diet

37:14

and how often would you say you should

37:16

be eating those things every day

37:17

or a couple of times a day so um

37:21

every day so we're including that in our

37:22

meals and making sure that we find ways

37:25

to do that

37:25

um you know apart from small things like

37:29

uh miso or tempeh a lot of people who

37:33

don't eat

37:33

grains they'll go towards like

37:35

alternative grains and things to eat so

37:36

they'll they'll try to incorporate a lot

37:38

more

37:39

um miso or tempeh or um you know

37:42

other grains some cheeses that age

37:45

really well so like gouda or cottage

37:47

cheese

37:47

or even mozzarella they have live

37:51

strains of probiotics so it's really

37:53

kind of understanding where

37:54

all we can find them um kombucha is a

37:57

really good um

37:58

alternative as well i think a lot of

37:59

grown ups drink that i think we

38:01

kind of caution giving too much to

38:03

children just because of the

38:05

fermentation of the alcohols in there so

38:07

but giving them some a little bit is not

38:10

a bad thing

38:10

but it's just about creating being aware

38:13

of these foods and creating them and

38:14

putting them

38:15

on a rotation in our house really helps

38:18

and what about the sachets the powder

38:21

sachets of probiotics that you get

38:23

what what about if you wanted to do that

38:26

just because then you know that

38:27

yeah you may do the things during the

38:29

day as well but you just want to make

38:31

sure that the child gets

38:33

all of the probiotics yeah and that was

38:36

something i was going to get to as well

38:37

but

38:38

even though we try to eat as much as we

38:41

can

38:41

in our diet it still most likely is not

38:44

enough

38:44

especially with all of the toxins that

38:46

we're constantly consuming

38:48

they're working extra hard and we're

38:50

bringing in along with our foods a lot

38:52

of

38:52

um you know the the things that the bad

38:56

bugs that are coming with that and so um

38:58

for supplements they really

39:00

do say to um to look at good quality

39:03

supplements it doesn't really matter if

39:04

it's like a sachet if it's a liquid or

39:07

or if it's um you know a pill for kids

39:10

i recommend that they have these um

39:13

these chewables

39:14

i'm not really like a hundred and i know

39:16

you're you're a dentist and you don't

39:17

agree with chewables and either do i

39:19

because they don't really be

39:20

they're not very potent you know you

39:22

don't really get what you need out of

39:24

those

39:24

but um in some in some cases so there

39:27

are some brands that really do make good

39:29

ones that

39:30

actually have all the ingredients that

39:31

we want um but a lot of times what i

39:34

recommend is just opening the capsules

39:35

and

39:36

using the grains from that in like a

39:38

smoothie or water or

39:39

milk or juice whatever that they're

39:41

consuming because we can buy

39:43

varieties that have no flavor so it's

39:46

just you're adding it to their food and

39:48

making them uh you know getting the

39:50

benefit of it

39:51

what i do want to encourage is that

39:53

families to start looking

39:54

at the labels and making sure

39:57

that they have the right strains of

40:00

probiotics so lactobacilli is one of

40:03

those

40:04

that are um very important and uh before

40:07

bacterium

40:08

those are those are two that are really

40:10

important because they really help

40:12

with something that we call leaky gut

40:13

where our our the cells in our

40:15

in our gut lining are very porous so

40:18

we're

40:18

soaking up a lot of toxins um

40:21

and just you know using uh using all of

40:24

that

40:25

and making sure that they're there in at

40:27

the back of the bottle we read that we

40:29

make sure

40:30

that it's got the good manufacturing

40:32

products um

40:34

you know labeled there and that we make

40:36

sure that it

40:37

has the light the the potency that they

40:40

claim on the on the label so you

40:42

really read that and see um and and i

40:45

always recommend that

40:46

families even for small children and

40:48

children as

40:49

young as a few weeks old to a few months

40:52

old can have probiotic

40:54

very very safely um that we kind of give

40:58

them a supplement that is

40:59

starting off at like a 5 billion cfu

41:02

so colony calling cfus and so making

41:06

sure that those numbers

41:08

are there and also to make sure that

41:11

as we get older so for a higher age

41:14

group

41:14

anywhere after two years old um they

41:17

recommend

41:18

they can use the adult so you can give

41:20

them anywhere up to like 25 billion as

41:22

well

41:23

cfus and so just making sure that we

41:25

kind of read the label

41:27

understand the label see the different

41:29

strains right

41:30

a lot of times i've seen that they only

41:33

have the lactobacilli

41:34

and that's just not enough um especially

41:37

when

41:37

we want we don't really know what's

41:39

going on with our gut so it's better to

41:41

kind of have a complete

41:43

um you know complete focus

41:46

of what all we can put in rather than

41:49

just taking it one at a time

41:51

sometimes we might not be able to get

41:53

all of them in one supplement

41:55

and for that i think it's good to kind

41:57

of um

41:58

read the other labels and maybe mix and

42:01

match your probiotics

42:03

another thing that's really big and i

42:04

know it's not probiotic but it's

42:05

something called prebiotic

42:07

and it's something that really kind of

42:10

sets

42:11

the baseline for for your gut and

42:14

prebiotic are those ingredients that

42:16

it's basically their fiber in our diet

42:19

that we

42:20

put in our gut and it's our probiotics

42:23

eat them and use them for for their food

42:26

but they basically allow the probiotic

42:29

to

42:30

stick and to do their work so we're

42:32

basically setting up like the ground for

42:34

harvest basically where

42:35

you know we're setting up the the

42:38

grounds that we're going to be putting

42:40

our probiotic on

42:41

is as nourished as possible so we're

42:43

giving it the probiotic

42:44

and there's a lot of focus on that and

42:46

so you can supplement and some

42:48

supplements even

42:49

have that and you'll most likely see it

42:51

by the name of inulin

42:53

at the bottom of your your list of

42:56

um ingredients but we get a lot of that

42:59

from food and so again you know going

43:02

back to that idea of food is medicine

43:05

getting it through onions and garlics

43:07

and artichokes

43:09

and um you know there's so many other um

43:12

options out there that we can eat them

43:14

making sure we're getting enough

43:15

asparagus and a lot of these cabbage

43:17

family vegetables so brussels sprouts

43:20

and broccoli and

43:21

and cauliflower and consuming them on a

43:24

daily basis to make sure

43:26

that we're able to benefit from all of

43:28

that

43:29

that's amazing thank you so much um

43:33

i know you have a few things to do today

43:36

so i'm not going to keep you much longer

43:38

i have one question for you though if

43:40

you had to recommend

43:41

one supplement that all children should

43:44

be taking

43:45

what would it be um

43:48

so i really really like i can't really

43:51

say one because you know there are a few

43:53

that are really important

43:54

unfortunately in our multivitamin the

43:56

packs that we get they're just

43:57

not enough yeah um but it's really

44:00

important to give our kids

44:02

good omega-3s so a fish oil supplement

44:05

probiotics is really important and then

44:07

making sure that their vitamin d levels

44:10

are optimal so we're not um either that

44:14

we're mostly not supplementing but even

44:16

if we are supplementing we need to

44:17

supplement them enough

44:19

so you know i would encourage you to

44:21

either speak to a doctor or get them

44:23

tested

44:23

or just amp up their supplementation

44:27

and then the last one that's really

44:28

really important is

44:30

zinc so you know it has such an

44:33

important role to play

44:34

not just in our gut health but our

44:35

immune health and just overall

44:38

regulation of

44:39

all of the the processes that our body

44:42

has um so i really can't understate that

44:45

as well so

44:46

sorry from one i went to four but it's

44:48

just making sure

44:49

that our numbers um and the dosages that

44:52

we're using and

44:53

we only had a certain amount of time to

44:54

talk about these things but you share a

44:56

lot of more

44:57

of this on your instagram page so where

44:59

is the best place to find you is it your

45:01

instagram page

45:02

so it is my instagram page um and it's

45:05

my name momona

45:06

and it's underscore saleem underscore

45:09

coaching

45:10

um you can probably add that to your

45:11

show notes but um that's really the best

45:13

place and

45:14

really like i'm there to kind of help

45:16

and share

45:17

and just help families really hold their

45:19

hands through it's it's so

45:21

it's a scary world we're living in these

45:23

days yeah and i will definitely share

45:25

all your details in the show notes so

45:27

the listeners can find you easily and

45:29

i'm sure you'll be happy to receive

45:31

messages if someone's got a question for

45:33

you

45:33

oh for sure i love to i love to chat

45:36

you're amazing thank you so much

45:38

thank you so much for having me this is

45:44

great

46:17

you