As a mother herself, Pranjul spent a significant amount of time seeking truthful, logical and scientific principles that helped her during her pregnancy. This inspired her to become a certified Childbirth Educator.
Pranjul shares her journey with me, the common misconceptions and how to debunk those old wives tales. We talk about colic, how it's diagnosed and what a colicky baby might be experiencing. She also shares her tips and tricks on how we can relieve our babies tummy aches and colic.
Find Pranjul on Instagram @womb_and_beyond and website
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As a mother herself, Pranjul spent a significant amount of time seeking truthful, logical and scientific principles that helped her during her pregnancy. This inspired her to become a certified Childbirth Educator.
Pranjul shares her journey with me, the common misconceptions and how to debunk those old wives tales. We talk about colic, how it's diagnosed and what a colicky baby might be experiencing. She also shares her tips and tricks on how we can relieve our babies tummy aches and colic.
Find Pranjul on Instagram @womb_and_beyond and website
We love hearing from you, contact us, email: hello@mymamaapp.com
Download the Mama ME app on Apple or Android, Find the links on the website
www.mymamaapp.com
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Instagram @mymamaapp
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Intro music: www.bensound.com
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hi mama you're listening to the mama
podcast it's sumayya here the co-founder
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of mama ME app
mama me is the first app to exclusively
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connect mothers across the middle east
connects with like-minded mamas and
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creates lifelong friendships
at mama we are all about connecting
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mamas to empower women
so let's join together and make this
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mission a reality
today we're talking all about colic and
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tummy aches for babies i'm joined by the
wonderful pranjal who's a newborn
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care coach and infant childbirth
educator, Pranjul has so much
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information to share
so let's get stuck in. Hi pranjul thank
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you so much for joining me today i'm so
excited to talk to you and we're going
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to talk all about colic
so much to learn about for me and
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yeah thank you for taking the time
thank you Sumayya thank you for
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having me here my pleasure so
pranjel if we could start off with where
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where you did your education what led
you into this
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early um child education and
pregnant or helping pregnant women that
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would be amazing just to give us a bit
of um
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give me and the listeners a bit of a
background of what led you to where you
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are now
so i had quite an interesting journey
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by education i'm an electronics and
communications engineer
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so that's how i i started my career
and i worked uh you know uh in uh
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in an engineering firm you know for two
years
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and uh as a communications engineer and
that was back in india
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and then i took a break when i was
pregnant i took a break
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uh i wanted to you know uh bring up my
uh baby girl and you know i i don't i
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didn't want to face those tough
office hours of you know like a 11 or a
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12
hour workday because back back in india
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that's what a typical corporate life is
you know all like
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is like you know it actually uh you know
it starts
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early in the morning and it ends only by
dinner time
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so the work life balance is not pretty
much there
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you know in a lot of countries
and uh you know being being from india
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that's how
my life was initially but then
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i really didn't want to you know
continue with that and
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uh my husband also you know we were we
were kind of
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unsure whether we want to continue in
india or move abroad so i was like
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i was very keen to have you know a
change of career
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and uh by that time my daughter was
uh you know around one one and a half
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years of
age and uh i i realized you know like
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while bringing her up i realized how
many
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uh how many uh policies and how many
superstitions are there you know
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in people's minds you know even educated
people's minds
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like there are so many myths so many
superstitions
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and young moms they actually uh they
actually fall for that
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so i spent a lot of time researching you
know
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uh about the science behind things
you know uh like whether it's something
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as
simple as uh my child's uh you know
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food or or you know whether i should
give her some
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uh some food item to eat or not or
should i hold back till she's
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a certain age or whether it's her poop
color
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or whether you know whether uh you know
it's about the little
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uh illnesses she's having you know
what's the scientific reason behind that
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and the relief strategies that many you
know
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many people used to suggest around me
did they make any sense
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so when i did my research on all of that
i
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i realized that there was a big big gap
and that really needs to be you know
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filled um
and uh you know
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the other thing that uh came into the
picture was that
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a lot of um companies you know a lot of
uh
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uh commercial there was a lot of
commercialization of baby products you
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know like hey
use this it would improve that you know
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that kind of a thing
or you know uh if your child is two
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years of age
use this product along with milk to give
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them extra strength or to you know
increase their height
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so all that led me to uh question a lot
of things
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and as i researched i i saw that there
was
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uh there was really uh you know scope of
educating my peers and scope of telling
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them
about the logical and scientific
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explanation you know for a lot of things
and that's how i decided to train as a
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child birth educator
i did my training with um childbirth and
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postpartum professional association
headquartered in the us so i did my
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training with them
and the training uh it lasted for around
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two years where i attended a lot of
classes a lot of workshops i
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gave a couple of exams i i had a lot to
read a lot of workshops to attend
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and uh so around 2000 early 2016
i graduated as a childbirth educator
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and we were in uh europe we were in
monaco at that time so that's where my
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journey began and that's how that's
where i started
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uh taking uh you know workshops for
pregnant women
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and that's how women beyond was born
and so did you find so that transition
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from
india to monaco obviously was during
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your time when you were studying did you
find that the same challenges existed in
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monaco with the women there too
yes of course i mean i was very
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surprised so i used to think that
a lot of superstitions were coming you
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know from
uh the indian um indian related myths
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indian related uh culture but no like my
i remember my first client she was
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petrified because
uh she had uh she had a miscarriage
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before that
and just the morning of miscarriage the
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morning she had miscarriage she had
eaten
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two teaspoons of flax seeds and
immediately after that unfortunately she
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had a miscarriage
so in her mind she found she formed a
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notion that somehow
flax seeds and miscarriage is connected
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and she was uh you know she was
a colombian living in monaco so there
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was there was
so that's when i decided that's when i
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realized that yes
myths and superstitions they they exist
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in a lot of minds
and they are formed because of negative
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experiences
or you know certain challenges that
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people face and it's
uh it's really required for uh
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there's always a space for a peer
counselor to come in
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and actually tell the moms using science
and logic that no that's not the case
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and how to look at things you know in in
in a better way
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yeah and so does that mean your role
really
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entails helping moms really figure out
where to get that information
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or is it that people come to you with
issues and problems and you help figure
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those out yeah so uh my
aim my goal is to uh you know guide moms
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to the correct information to
help them find the correct resources to
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uh
solve like in the sense that uh you know
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i often uh tell them that
hey if you look at these uh these
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websites
they are sort of uh medically verified
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you know by doctors or this article is
written by a
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well-known doctor so it it will
definitely have some truth to it
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uh rather than uh you know it's like
obviously so i guide them to uh
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evidence-based information
that's my main aim and there are a lot
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of times when
you know new parents or pregnant women
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come to me with issues like they're
having
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fever or their child is having diarrhea
so my aim at that
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time is to tell them about or you know
to guide them
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uh about making that that choice whether
to
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go to a doctor whether to go to an
emergency
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or whether to wait it out for it to
subside so i help them make that
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decision
uh and i always provide them
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evidence-based information while
making that decision so ultimately it's
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a pe
it's the parents choice i am not uh
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i'm not equipped to make a decision for
them
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or to tell them what to do but i can
always
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help them out uh by using uh scientific
information that i have access to that's
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incredible because you can guide them
with the
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specific problem that they're having at
the time but also
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from that they will learn what val what
information is more valuable than other
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information
i guess so it's it's a learning curve
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for them as well because in the future
they would be able to
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draw on that knowledge and make
decisions that are a bit more well
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informed
yeah exactly i mean i mean they know
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that
okay if uh suppose if a newborn baby is
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having fever
so you know they they know that i need
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to uh look out for
these many warning signs you know and if
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any of these warning signs
exist then i know that then i tell them
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that you must know
that going to a medical professional is
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important but if those warning signs
don't
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exist you can wait a couple of hours and
see how thing
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goes so it's like basically giving them
the confidence
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to uh you know to uh actually tied
across that situation
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and and that confidence actually many a
times only
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a a peer counselor or an educator can
give
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because no nurse or no doctor has the
time to actually you know
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get into depth you know like if the baby
has just
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a very slight fever say 99.8 you know
and the mother is freaking out i think
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no doctor or no nurse
might entertain her in in many countries
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it's that when an educator can actually
come
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and uh you know sort of like um
give her the confidence and kind of calm
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her down that
uh by by showing her evidence
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yeah and that makes sense because you
know doctors and
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nurses i guess for them this is like
something they deal with all the time so
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they don't realize that
sometimes the emotional um aspect that
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the mom is going through but you really
do
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you would have the time and and like you
know you'd be able to
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accommodate that kind of situation where
you can actually talk about
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it and go through her their mom's
concerns or the dad's concerns and
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actually talk about that in detail
which is really interesting and i mean
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we chose the topic of colic
as our topic of discussion today because
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it's
it's such a big topic and we hear about
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it so
much um especially when the child is
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quite young
um so i think it'd be great if you could
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just maybe
briefly describe what colic is and
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because i know
um i know this may be a personal
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experience but sometimes what happens is
people
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talk about colic and it may not actually
be colic
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and so there's so many different people
use that term for so many different
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things
yeah exactly so i have noticed that
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anytime a baby cries uh you know it has
become a common
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it has become a common lingo to say my
baby is having college so
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any time the baby is crying the parents
say uh
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they are they they comment that oh my
baby is having a colicky day
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or my baby has colic almost uh
interesting is when their baby is like
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one and a half or two years old and the
parent is like oh my baby still has
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colic
so uh that's that's quite interesting
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interesting and
uh incorrect i would say because uh
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colic
is uh is not the other name of a baby
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crying
it's something that is completely
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different
so colic happens uh when a baby
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that is around two to three weeks of age
till around four to five months of age
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in between that age group
tries for uh more than three
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hours uh almost every day
and this pattern continues for
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more than three weeks you know so
if the baby is crying three to four
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times a week
more than three hours every day
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on those days and this pattern is
continuing
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week after week after week since the
last three weeks at least
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then only we can say that yes the baby
is definitely having colic like
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is having colic and if you suspect that
you know your baby is um having colic
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and the signs of the colic are that the
baby will cry in very high pitch volume
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it would almost be like
shrieking the crying is almost like
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shrieking away
uh and uh if you feel that
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and nothing you do can comfort the baby
easily you know you you really can't
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figure out why the baby is crying
because
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physically you can't make out anything
that is wrong with the baby
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but the baby is crying for hours at end
so if this is happening to your baby the
0:13:41.600,0:13:46.880
first thing you should be doing is
uh visiting a pediatrician to understand
0:13:46.880,0:13:52.480
uh that this is colic or something like
an ear infection or some kind of
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internal infection or injury that is
causing the baby to be so distressed
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so of course it always helps to
get it verified from a pediatrician that
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this truly is colic
but please keep in mind that a colic
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usually disappears by the time the child
is around
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four months of age so by four months of
age 90 80 to 90 percent of the babies
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are cured you know from this temporary
health condition called colic
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uh by five months of age it's
after five months of age it's rare for a
0:14:27.600,0:14:33.680
baby to suffer from colic
so uh so it's it's important to uh keep
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uh you know the the age group in mind
while
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uh but when when uh you know when saying
that hey my child is suffering from
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colic
also many parents they uh you know they
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get a newborn home from the hospital
the first few days are kind of tough
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because the baby
is uh learning how to feed the baby
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might be
you know a little uncomfortable the
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parents are learning
so during that time if the baby is
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crying a lot
then also many uh parents jump to the
0:15:04.079,0:15:07.519
conclusion that
oh my six day old baby is having colic
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no it's too early for us to say
maybe it is colic but it's too early for
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us to say that
it's colic so until the baby is around
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three weeks of age
it's hard to uh it's hard for us to
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guess whether it's colic or not
and when you say three hours do you mean
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three hours continuously or three hours
in the day as a total thumb
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that's the main characteristic it's it's
almost continuously
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it's it's continuous continuous crying
so you really can't
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miss out on that it's like continuous
crying
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for no apparent reason and nothing you
know
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helps the baby uh calm down easily
that's really interesting because i mean
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three hours is a really long time of
crying
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right like having a child cry for that
amount of time must be
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quite challenging for the parents yeah
it is it's because
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but for the parents as well right not
really knowing what's going
0:16:04.800,0:16:11.120
on and so um are there sort of any
real strategies or things in place that
0:16:11.120,0:16:15.680
can help resolve or
improve colic so uh
0:16:15.680,0:16:19.680
like before uh knowing like before
learning what are the strategies it's
0:16:19.680,0:16:24.480
important to learn what causes it and
unfortunately we cannot learn what
0:16:24.480,0:16:28.320
causes it because even the doctors their
opinions are completely different on
0:16:28.320,0:16:31.519
what
causes it so there are multiple theories
0:16:31.519,0:16:34.639
on what could be causing this very
temporary
0:16:34.639,0:16:39.839
yet stressful health condition so some
doctors feel that this has something to
0:16:39.839,0:16:44.800
do with the intestines of the baby
some doctors feel that some grow extra
0:16:44.800,0:16:49.600
growth of healthy bacteria
causes this condition some doctors feel
0:16:49.600,0:16:53.440
that
you know the baby's uh digestion system
0:16:53.440,0:16:58.639
is uh growing improving maturing and
that causes colic
0:16:58.639,0:17:03.519
so uh so there there is a group of
doctors that feel that
0:17:03.519,0:17:07.760
colic is somehow related to the baby's
digestive system
0:17:07.760,0:17:14.240
whereas the other set of doctors feel
that colic is uh because of emotional
0:17:14.240,0:17:18.959
reasons like sometimes the baby
some babies are a little more sensitive
0:17:18.959,0:17:22.880
than the others
and those babies uh when they uh when
0:17:22.880,0:17:25.919
they hear
a lot of noise or sounds in the
0:17:25.919,0:17:29.679
background
or they see a lot of faces they really
0:17:29.679,0:17:33.679
get overwhelmed
and politic is a way for them to uh you
0:17:33.679,0:17:37.679
know
get some sort of relief like by the
0:17:37.679,0:17:42.160
by the time the afternoon rolls in they
are like i have had it enough and they
0:17:42.160,0:17:45.440
cry it out
to kind of because of that over
0:17:45.440,0:17:50.320
stimulation they have had during the day
so there are two sets of theories and
0:17:50.320,0:17:54.720
it's amazing
that i have met uh parents whose babies
0:17:54.720,0:17:59.120
suffer from colic
and i've actually had parents who swore
0:17:59.120,0:18:03.280
that uh you know
over stimulation was the reason that was
0:18:03.280,0:18:06.480
causing colic
and there are many many parents who say
0:18:06.480,0:18:10.880
that their child's digestion issues
you know was the one that was causing
0:18:10.880,0:18:15.679
colic so it's it's really confusing
but there seems to be like these two
0:18:15.679,0:18:19.360
main groups
and the other characteristic of college
0:18:19.360,0:18:25.520
that that is truly unique is that
uh colic you usually strikes at the same
0:18:25.520,0:18:29.840
uh you know same time every day so a
quality baby
0:18:29.840,0:18:35.039
would usually start crying around the
same time in the afternoon or in the
0:18:35.039,0:18:38.240
evening
and usually that time is you know
0:18:38.240,0:18:42.080
afternoons or
evenings or towards the night time so
0:18:42.080,0:18:45.679
that
that uh you know kind of uh leads uh
0:18:45.679,0:18:49.200
many doctors to further believe that yes
it has some uh
0:18:49.200,0:18:52.240
something to do with over stimulation
from
0:18:52.240,0:18:56.559
since the morning since the start of the
day the child is totally overstimulated
0:18:56.559,0:19:01.360
but uh the the real reason still till
date no doctor knows
0:19:01.360,0:19:05.679
so i guess if you did like i mean if you
were your child was diagnosed with colic
0:19:05.679,0:19:09.919
then you could potentially try
both other news in terms of a relief
0:19:09.919,0:19:13.760
strategy
so uh in when it comes to relief
0:19:13.760,0:19:17.919
strategies
uh i basically trained as
0:19:17.919,0:19:23.280
a a newborn care coach and i trained as
an infant massage instructor
0:19:23.280,0:19:29.360
uh and uh i was um
i trained in a lot of college relief
0:19:29.360,0:19:32.640
strategies
and the the my favorite strategy you
0:19:32.640,0:19:35.520
know my my favorite advice to parents
would be
0:19:35.520,0:19:42.720
to use a lot of um you know massage
to help calm the quality baby down
0:19:42.720,0:19:48.400
now massage has two benefits a it's very
relaxing as we all know because you know
0:19:48.400,0:19:53.039
when when someone is massaging us there
is a release of a lot of good hormones
0:19:53.039,0:19:56.480
in our body
and in the baby's bodies you know so
0:19:56.480,0:19:59.679
it's oxytocin's
endorphins being released which
0:19:59.679,0:20:04.880
obviously helps calm
you know babies down the other advantage
0:20:04.880,0:20:11.679
of a massage is that
when a baby is crying a lot the baby
0:20:11.679,0:20:15.840
ends up swallowing
a lot of air and that may cause gas
0:20:15.840,0:20:20.320
in the baby so colicky babies are
usually
0:20:20.320,0:20:27.360
gassy too because of excessive crying
they end up swallowing the excess air so
0:20:27.360,0:20:31.360
when we do massage you know on an infant
it actually helps
0:20:31.360,0:20:37.200
uh release excessive gas
and that i think is uh is is a good
0:20:37.200,0:20:41.120
strategy
when dealing with colic and another
0:20:41.120,0:20:46.000
strategy that i always
advise is that when a baby is crying you
0:20:46.000,0:20:50.799
know because of colic and you are sure
that there is nothing like physically or
0:20:50.799,0:20:54.480
majorly wrong
uh with with the baby but the baby is
0:20:54.480,0:20:57.679
just going on crying and you really
can't figure the reason out
0:20:57.679,0:21:01.760
it's important for parents to realize
that it happens
0:21:01.760,0:21:05.360
you know it it will not harm the baby
permanently
0:21:05.360,0:21:09.120
and the parents need to become
themselves because babies at the end of
0:21:09.120,0:21:13.120
the day they imitate the parents
so if the parent starts panicking starts
0:21:13.120,0:21:16.720
crying and then some parents even in
anger start shaking the baby which is
0:21:16.720,0:21:19.760
very very
harmful for the baby so it's important
0:21:19.760,0:21:23.679
for parents to remain relaxed remain
cool and remain calm
0:21:23.679,0:21:29.039
and know that this is just a phase and
it will pass away really really soon
0:21:29.039,0:21:34.159
so uh yeah so these are my top
strategies for dealing with colic
0:21:34.159,0:21:38.640
yeah and i think remaining calm is
obviously must be so challenging when
0:21:38.640,0:21:42.880
your child is crying for so long
um so just from my personal experience
0:21:42.880,0:21:47.200
my daughter actually has a
cow's milk allergy and we didn't know
0:21:47.200,0:21:50.559
that until she was around
eight or nine months old so we had a lot
0:21:50.559,0:21:56.480
of crying sessions when she was younger
it would never last three hours but
0:21:56.480,0:22:00.320
one thing that i can say is it's okay to
put your baby down for a minute or two
0:22:00.320,0:22:04.240
just to have a breather
do you know anything sometimes like we
0:22:04.240,0:22:07.919
really sort of focus on trying to get
the cup baby to calm down but for us to
0:22:07.919,0:22:10.559
remain calm
it may mean that you have to put the
0:22:10.559,0:22:15.360
baby down step out of the situation
have a minute have a have a couple of
0:22:15.360,0:22:18.000
minutes and for me my husband travels a
lot for work so
0:22:18.000,0:22:21.039
it wasn't always that he was around to
you know
0:22:21.039,0:22:25.200
take over and that might mean in some
situations it may mean that i had to put
0:22:25.200,0:22:29.039
her down for a minute
walk away just have a breather and then
0:22:29.039,0:22:31.440
go back in
and and i think that's important to
0:22:31.440,0:22:34.640
remember because
you know when you're in them in the
0:22:34.640,0:22:38.640
thick of it it's really quite
challenging sometimes and
0:22:38.640,0:22:42.159
my daughter never cried for that amount
of time but it is even when she was
0:22:42.159,0:22:46.480
crying for 45 minutes an hour it was
still quite challenging
0:22:46.480,0:22:50.000
absolutely and uh especially you know if
you
0:22:50.000,0:22:54.720
yourself are calm and the environment
around you is quite you know calm
0:22:54.720,0:22:59.600
with no additional noise coming in many
a times that works on quality babies
0:22:59.600,0:23:02.799
because again as i said before
the theory is that it's the over
0:23:02.799,0:23:08.000
stimulation that is causing them
you know to cry so much so if if you
0:23:08.000,0:23:13.679
dim the lights if you uh reduce any
uh you know additional extra noise
0:23:13.679,0:23:16.640
coming in
or maybe switch on some white noise some
0:23:16.640,0:23:21.039
babies tend to like it
and you yourself are breathing you know
0:23:21.039,0:23:25.919
very calmly and very deeply
so uh you know eventually the baby will
0:23:25.919,0:23:29.520
calm down with you
and so the colic drops is something that
0:23:29.520,0:23:32.400
you see everywhere right on every kind
of
0:23:32.400,0:23:38.400
um shop floor like where there's
baby products there's always colic drops
0:23:38.400,0:23:41.200
so
what what are the thoughts on colic
0:23:41.200,0:23:46.480
drops and do they work
so uh you know there are a variety of
0:23:46.480,0:23:50.880
colic drops
and sometimes uh you know there are gas
0:23:50.880,0:23:54.480
drops like to reduce the gas there are
medicines to
0:23:54.480,0:23:58.159
reduce gas which are being sold as for
colic as well
0:23:58.159,0:24:04.080
and there are sometimes bright water uh
which is being sold as uh something to
0:24:04.080,0:24:08.799
help relieve
colic so uh as per
0:24:08.799,0:24:13.440
my information till date there is no
medical research that proves that these
0:24:13.440,0:24:16.960
drops work
and it's important to know that they are
0:24:16.960,0:24:22.799
just an alternative therapy
so no uh nobody can say for sure that
0:24:22.799,0:24:26.960
they work
and uh sometimes if the baby gets
0:24:26.960,0:24:33.120
a lot of gas while crying
uh and the baby is passing gas while
0:24:33.120,0:24:36.960
crying and you can see hard pockets of
air in the baby's stomach and you know
0:24:36.960,0:24:39.440
that
okay the baby is colicky as well as
0:24:39.440,0:24:46.159
gassy and if your pediatrician refers
uh you know some kind of gas anti-gas
0:24:46.159,0:24:51.440
medicine they sometimes work and parents
feel that hey these drops really work
0:24:51.440,0:24:55.600
but that's you know that's not really
the solution to the
0:24:55.600,0:24:59.520
bigger problem it just solved one of the
symptoms that was gas
0:24:59.520,0:25:05.760
when it comes to gripe water and other
you know herbal colic medicines uh it's
0:25:05.760,0:25:09.360
important to
keep in mind that any medicine that you
0:25:09.360,0:25:14.559
are giving to your newborn
must must be vetted by a pediatrician
0:25:14.559,0:25:18.320
must have been recommended by a
pediatrician otherwise it could be
0:25:18.320,0:25:21.520
harmful for your little one's tiny
digestive system
0:25:21.520,0:25:24.960
a lot of time uh a la uh you know we say
oh
0:25:24.960,0:25:28.480
it's okay to give some medicine to a
newborn because it's herbal
0:25:28.480,0:25:34.400
but please keep in mind that these herbs
are they are actually you know they are
0:25:34.400,0:25:38.320
very potent
herbs are not something that have zero
0:25:38.320,0:25:42.240
side effects
even herbs have side effects and
0:25:42.240,0:25:48.240
unfortunately a lot of parents in their
uh you know in their frustration they
0:25:48.240,0:25:51.039
end up
over feeding their child those herbal
0:25:51.039,0:25:55.679
medicines which is again wrong
because uh the babies they have they are
0:25:55.679,0:25:59.440
so tiny
that overfeeding any herbal medicine can
0:25:59.440,0:26:05.600
be harmful for the babies too
so um so always only go for medically
0:26:05.600,0:26:09.520
recommended medicines
and always stay away from medicines that
0:26:09.520,0:26:14.240
have alcohol
or sugar in them because uh you know
0:26:14.240,0:26:18.799
especially in the 70s and 80s there were
a lot of bright water brands that had
0:26:18.799,0:26:22.080
alcohol and sugar in them and when you
fed them to the baby
0:26:22.080,0:26:26.159
obviously the baby enjoyed the taste
because of the sugar and fell instantly
0:26:26.159,0:26:28.400
asleep
and the parents you know they felt
0:26:28.400,0:26:31.919
victorious that hey this ripe water
really works but it was working
0:26:31.919,0:26:35.039
because of the alcohol and sugar content
which is really
0:26:35.039,0:26:40.159
harmful for the baby so always check the
ingredients it shouldn't have
0:26:40.159,0:26:46.080
those two uh things and always
uh if your doctor asked you to take it
0:26:46.080,0:26:50.240
then only take it otherwise no
that's really interesting because like
0:26:50.240,0:26:54.080
my mom's generation my mom
and my aunts who are of that generation
0:26:54.080,0:26:57.600
sort of swear by
white water but that's probably why
0:26:57.600,0:27:01.440
because it was probably filled with tons
of sugar and alcohol and we were just so
0:27:01.440,0:27:04.640
fast asleep because they gave us some
great water
0:27:04.640,0:27:10.559
i asked have still seen some uh bright
water brands that have alcohol and sugar
0:27:10.559,0:27:13.840
so just be aware so we'd read the label
i guess
0:27:13.840,0:27:17.440
read read the label all the time you
know
0:27:17.440,0:27:20.960
so that's really interesting because i
mean
0:27:20.960,0:27:25.039
colic is such a i mean that's a very
specific this is what colic is
0:27:25.039,0:27:30.320
and this is how to identify it
but there are so many other conditions
0:27:30.320,0:27:34.960
that give
similar symptoms exactly like for
0:27:34.960,0:27:40.080
example my daughter was initially
diagnosed or they were con sort of
0:27:40.080,0:27:44.480
suspecting that she may be colic
because of the sort of the time that she
0:27:44.480,0:27:46.960
would cry and the
the length that she would cry but there
0:27:46.960,0:27:50.399
were other symptoms that sort of drew
them away from the fact that it was
0:27:50.399,0:27:53.919
colic and it wasn't colic and it was
quite a long time so i breastfed for a
0:27:53.919,0:27:57.200
while and it's not until we introduced
until we introduced formula that we
0:27:57.200,0:28:01.600
realized that she actually had something
more specific to the actual cow's milk
0:28:01.600,0:28:05.039
and i'm not
um dairy free so in my diet there was
0:28:05.039,0:28:10.240
always some element of dairy
and it took a long time to eliminate and
0:28:10.240,0:28:14.320
get to that that point
but there was a time when we would speak
0:28:14.320,0:28:16.399
to the doctors and the doctors would
sort of
0:28:16.399,0:28:20.720
talk about this um potential that she
was colleague or she had colic
0:28:20.720,0:28:23.840
so there are so many other conditions
that give or mimic
0:28:23.840,0:28:30.000
colic right yeah so unfortunately
uh till now we don't know the exact
0:28:30.000,0:28:33.600
cause of colic
and so we are still very confused and
0:28:33.600,0:28:38.880
that's why there are a lot of moms who
uh who claim that you know when they
0:28:38.880,0:28:43.200
eliminated dairy
or they eliminated certain uh gassy food
0:28:43.200,0:28:47.360
products from their
diet their baby calmed down so
0:28:47.360,0:28:52.799
uh you know and we still and we have to
like kind of take that into account
0:28:52.799,0:28:58.000
so if you um if you really suspect and
if you especially if you have a strong
0:28:58.000,0:29:02.240
uh you know uh family history of any
kind of food allergy
0:29:02.240,0:29:09.120
then it makes sense to eliminate certain
uh food products from your diet to see
0:29:09.120,0:29:13.919
if that is causing uh you know your
baby's colic to go away or not
0:29:13.919,0:29:18.720
so dairy being one of it because the
dairy protein proteins can actually
0:29:18.720,0:29:22.480
uh seep in you know to the uh breast
milk via
0:29:22.480,0:29:26.080
blood so there are a lot of foods that
really don't impact the breast
0:29:26.080,0:29:30.559
milk but certain foods like dairy like
alcohol like caffeine they do
0:29:30.559,0:29:33.919
impact the breast milk and especially
for uh
0:29:33.919,0:29:37.840
especially for babies who are who have
say dairy
0:29:37.840,0:29:41.360
intolerance or allergies related to
dairy products
0:29:41.360,0:29:46.799
so if you suspect that it won't harm to
just give it a try
0:29:46.799,0:29:52.720
uh and see what what works for you
yeah i totally i mean for me i wish i'd
0:29:52.720,0:29:56.559
known that earlier because i would have
eliminated gary to just see what would
0:29:56.559,0:29:59.039
happen
and it would have made i'm sure like my
0:29:59.039,0:30:01.440
daughter would have been more
comfortable and it would have made life
0:30:01.440,0:30:04.480
a little bit easier because you would
have been crying for as long
0:30:04.480,0:30:07.840
um but you know you'd learn these things
as you go along and i'm sure like every
0:30:07.840,0:30:11.360
mother can relate to the fact that
you know there's so much learning and
0:30:11.360,0:30:15.200
especially in those early months there's
such a steep learning curve
0:30:15.200,0:30:18.240
yeah and and the good news is that uh by
uh
0:30:18.240,0:30:22.080
four to five months of age you know it's
it's over
0:30:22.080,0:30:26.640
like you will it it's it's absolutely
rare to see a six month old baby
0:30:26.640,0:30:31.840
suffering from colic it doesn't happen
so it's a very very short period of time
0:30:31.840,0:30:35.679
you know into history is it instant does
it just happen like
0:30:35.679,0:30:39.440
you know they they kind of go to five
months or six months and it just kind of
0:30:39.440,0:30:44.320
the crying just stops yeah it it does it
it happens like that but in fact
0:30:44.320,0:30:49.200
by uh by three to four months of age
most babies they start getting normal
0:30:49.200,0:30:52.880
and it kind of
it reduces and then stops it must be
0:30:52.880,0:30:55.120
such a
lovely feeling for a mom who's dealing
0:30:55.120,0:30:57.200
with a colic baby do you know the day
that
0:30:57.200,0:31:01.440
they wake up and the child just sort of
stops crying or doesn't cry as much
0:31:01.440,0:31:06.640
because obviously they still cry
but it's not yeah and whatever they are
0:31:06.640,0:31:10.320
doing at that time point of time whether
they have cut out dairy or they are
0:31:10.320,0:31:13.440
giving some dried water or whether they
are massaging it
0:31:13.440,0:31:16.880
they all say that okay that thing worked
but if you
0:31:16.880,0:31:21.440
go through if you go to uh you know to
what doctors say
0:31:21.440,0:31:25.600
certain things are proven to work
massage being one of them
0:31:25.600,0:31:28.960
being in a calm environment uh being one
of them
0:31:28.960,0:31:33.120
and so useful will definitely work you
touched on massage quite a few times
0:31:33.120,0:31:35.519
there
and obviously baby massage is very
0:31:35.519,0:31:39.039
particular and there's like a technique
of doing baby massage
0:31:39.039,0:31:44.320
um would you say to even if the
child isn't suffering from colic would
0:31:44.320,0:31:46.000
you say that this is something
advantageous
0:31:46.000,0:31:51.279
for all babies definitely i mean there
is plenty of
0:31:51.279,0:31:55.039
medical research that has happened on
baby massage
0:31:55.039,0:31:58.880
and if using the correct techniques the
correct uh you know
0:31:58.880,0:32:04.080
the correct pressure because you cannot
be too harsh on babies by massaging them
0:32:04.080,0:32:10.000
uh so uh and if done with uh you know
uh love and care of course baby massage
0:32:10.000,0:32:12.720
is something that is useful for all
babies
0:32:12.720,0:32:18.799
and there is a science behind it uh our
you know touch is one of our most
0:32:18.799,0:32:23.600
important senses
so if a baby is born without uh without
0:32:23.600,0:32:27.360
the
power to see or without hearing
0:32:27.360,0:32:30.399
capability
the baby can still thrive in the world
0:32:30.399,0:32:32.880
the baby can still happily live in the
world
0:32:32.880,0:32:36.240
but no human being can survive without
touch
0:32:36.240,0:32:42.480
so touch is the most important sense
and it's the first sense to form in the
0:32:42.480,0:32:46.960
womb
wow yeah so uh there were experiments
0:32:46.960,0:32:50.080
done
on babies who were around eight weeks of
0:32:50.080,0:32:55.519
gestational age in the womb
and those little embryos were stroked
0:32:55.519,0:32:59.679
using
a little strand of human hair
0:32:59.679,0:33:04.000
and on the cheeks and the baby had a
protective movement to move away from
0:33:04.000,0:33:08.159
that
a little stroke of hair oh wow
0:33:08.159,0:33:14.480
from the age of eight weeks yeah in
in the womb so that's when touch
0:33:14.480,0:33:19.120
develops and touch is the last sense to
leave the human body
0:33:19.120,0:33:22.480
you know any human being can survive
without eyes or
0:33:22.480,0:33:25.519
ears or if your nose gets blocked and
you can't taste or
0:33:25.519,0:33:29.919
uh you know smell anything that's fine
you know it won't end your life but
0:33:29.919,0:33:33.840
touch
it is there till our very last breath
0:33:33.840,0:33:38.159
and that is the reason why skin has been
classified as an organ
0:33:38.159,0:33:42.480
in fact it is a very very important
organ isn't it like 70 percent of your
0:33:42.480,0:33:45.039
body
um or is the largest organ in the body
0:33:45.039,0:33:48.080
right largest organ in the body skin is
so important
0:33:48.080,0:33:53.120
and the only way to nourish that organ
is by massage
0:33:53.120,0:33:58.320
so you know when you massage a baby uh
as i said before a lot of good hormones
0:33:58.320,0:34:03.200
are released in the baby
because of uh you know touch and
0:34:03.200,0:34:07.279
uh if done correctly you know uh it can
actually
0:34:07.279,0:34:13.520
uh help get relief from a lot of
uh common ailments like uh colic being
0:34:13.520,0:34:17.679
one of them constipation
teething pain a lot of doctors if you go
0:34:17.679,0:34:21.119
to them with
saying that my baby has teething pain
0:34:21.119,0:34:24.800
they will not give you any pain killer
or something they would just say like
0:34:24.800,0:34:28.560
massage the gums
that's the most obvious thing you know
0:34:28.560,0:34:34.000
my uh my eight-year-old recently had
uh um you know some teeth trouble she's
0:34:34.000,0:34:37.280
eight years but the dentist said massage
her gums
0:34:37.280,0:34:41.599
so that's the most obvious uh relief
thing that that
0:34:41.599,0:34:44.720
we do and it doesn't have any side
effects
0:34:44.720,0:34:50.800
uh so uh so that's how you know
from a lot of congestion you know you
0:34:50.800,0:34:54.800
can really get help from
congestion or sinus related issues if
0:34:54.800,0:34:59.920
you massage correctly
and a lot of uh you know relief from uh
0:34:59.920,0:35:05.280
physiological strain you know uh
you can get relief from that if you if
0:35:05.280,0:35:08.320
you massage and stretch your limbs
correctly
0:35:08.320,0:35:12.560
so there's a very interesting scientific
um explanation to that right
0:35:12.560,0:35:16.000
and i'm sure you probably know what it
is but the
0:35:16.000,0:35:20.720
it's getting so me getting geeky and
sort of digging into my biology days but
0:35:20.720,0:35:24.079
it's when your c fibers are activated
instead of your pain
0:35:24.079,0:35:31.839
receptors which is your a fibers that
right yeah
0:35:32.160,0:35:35.040
it's just something that you when you
were explaining it it just reminded me
0:35:35.040,0:35:39.280
of
of the c fibers and though and the most
0:35:39.280,0:35:43.040
important thing to remember is that uh
see one
0:35:43.040,0:35:46.480
one way of massaging is just like doing
it
0:35:46.480,0:35:49.920
out of instincts like when we pat a
newborns
0:35:49.920,0:35:54.240
back you know in order to make them work
that's a very basic form of massage
0:35:54.240,0:35:56.800
which most parents they automatically
learn
0:35:56.800,0:36:00.640
just patting the back in order to make
them work but then there is
0:36:00.640,0:36:04.079
there are certain little technicalities
that come into play like
0:36:04.079,0:36:08.320
when massaging a newborn stomach to help
them get relief from colic
0:36:08.320,0:36:13.680
or just for general welding of this if
we massage their stomach
0:36:13.680,0:36:18.640
uh you know all human beings their uh
their intestines they work in a
0:36:18.640,0:36:23.040
clockwise direction
like the gas and the poop material it it
0:36:23.040,0:36:27.520
actually travels in a
clockwise way inside a human's thumb
0:36:27.520,0:36:30.320
stomach
so massaging on on the stomach should
0:36:30.320,0:36:34.160
always be done in a clockwise direction
if you do it in the anti-clockwise
0:36:34.160,0:36:41.280
direction it won't be that effective
so like that every part of a baby's body
0:36:41.280,0:36:45.520
has some technique associated with it
and of course you have to be very
0:36:45.520,0:36:48.480
careful
not to provide any ticklish touch to the
0:36:48.480,0:36:52.320
baby at the same time not to be very
harsh on the baby because they are very
0:36:52.320,0:36:57.119
very delicate
you know so uh that's how i coach
0:36:57.119,0:37:02.079
the parents you know to uh to to massage
not only for calling but for
0:37:02.079,0:37:06.240
general well-being of the baby i think
this all all this talk about massage has
0:37:06.240,0:37:09.599
really made me realize the importance of
me having a massage so maybe
0:37:09.599,0:37:13.119
once we get off this um podcast
recording i might go and
0:37:13.119,0:37:17.760
book myself a massage but um with your
massage classes right now they are
0:37:17.760,0:37:22.800
online at the moment currently at the
moment because of the covet thing it is
0:37:22.800,0:37:26.240
it is online
i mean up that's actually absolutely the
0:37:26.240,0:37:31.680
safest because i don't want to be
uh meeting any postpartum moms and their
0:37:31.680,0:37:38.240
newborn babies at this point of time
because anyways uh babies their immunity
0:37:38.240,0:37:43.040
is a lot
lower than ours and so it's just best to
0:37:43.040,0:37:47.119
do it online at this point of time and
that makes sense and so are you still
0:37:47.119,0:37:51.359
running your other classes too
where um it's more information-based
0:37:51.359,0:37:55.520
classes
yes so uh that's the thing like when i
0:37:55.520,0:38:00.880
teach a pregnant woman about
a childbirth education it's most mostly
0:38:00.880,0:38:05.040
information based
and what i try to do is i try and bridge
0:38:05.040,0:38:08.400
the gap between her and her health care
provider so
0:38:08.400,0:38:12.240
uh instead of telling her do this do
that you should be delivering like this
0:38:12.240,0:38:15.520
not like that
i tell her i encourage her to ask the
0:38:15.520,0:38:20.079
correct questions
from her doctor so that her information
0:38:20.079,0:38:25.200
is up to date and she in her mind knows
what she wants to do you know uh there
0:38:25.200,0:38:28.160
are some moms who have come to me with a
request for
0:38:28.160,0:38:32.800
elective cesarean you know and and it's
not my job to tell her that
0:38:32.800,0:38:36.720
that's risky it's my job to tell her
about the
0:38:36.720,0:38:40.560
pros of her decision about the cons of
her decision
0:38:40.560,0:38:44.720
and if she wish and since she is already
visiting a doctor
0:38:44.720,0:38:48.079
what correct questions what kind of
questions she should be
0:38:48.079,0:38:52.320
asking the doctor so that her own
knowledge and what her own decision
0:38:52.320,0:38:56.079
making
can improve so that's what i do that's
0:38:56.079,0:39:00.480
how i work with pregnant moms
when it comes to newborn care it's a bit
0:39:00.480,0:39:05.040
more practical because
i tell them a lot about breastfeeding uh
0:39:05.040,0:39:08.720
you know it's again a lot of information
sharing and a lot of practical tips
0:39:08.720,0:39:13.280
about you know what they can do
uh then it's about uh newborn safety you
0:39:13.280,0:39:17.119
know
like uh so simple things like uh
0:39:17.119,0:39:20.800
when your baby is crying many parents as
i mentioned before they get frustrated
0:39:20.800,0:39:23.839
and they end up shaking the baby that
what's wrong with you stop crying that
0:39:23.839,0:39:27.280
is
completely wrong so i i is about car
0:39:27.280,0:39:30.000
seats and
everything so i i tell them about these
0:39:30.000,0:39:36.079
little uh safety things
and uh uh you know about diapers nappies
0:39:36.079,0:39:40.880
and you know what to expect out of a
diaper rash when it happens
0:39:40.880,0:39:44.079
what are the warning signs you know
because every baby they
0:39:44.079,0:39:48.079
they will get a rash or they will fall
ill at some point or the other
0:39:48.079,0:39:51.920
but what are the typical warning signs
which really
0:39:51.920,0:39:58.800
warrant a visit to the doctor so i i
inform them about uh those situations
0:39:58.800,0:40:02.560
and uh of course i teach them about baby
massage
0:40:02.560,0:40:06.960
and i have also started doing baby sign
language classes
0:40:06.960,0:40:11.040
so uh you know babies they're very
intelligent and they observe everything
0:40:11.040,0:40:15.280
they pick up so much from the
environment and their brains are growing
0:40:15.280,0:40:19.359
at massive speeds
but till they are around one and a half
0:40:19.359,0:40:22.880
two
they really don't have uh that ability
0:40:22.880,0:40:26.079
to form
proper words and sentences and that
0:40:26.079,0:40:31.200
causes a lot of frustration you know
in in parents as well as babies because
0:40:31.200,0:40:36.480
they have no other option but to cry
if they really want a particular toy and
0:40:36.480,0:40:39.839
the parent is not able to give
it to them and they are not able to kick
0:40:39.839,0:40:44.880
climb out of their crib to get it
ultimately they will start crying and
0:40:44.880,0:40:48.880
the parents will get frustrated and the
baby will get more upset
0:40:48.880,0:40:53.599
so that's what encouraged me to study
baby sign language
0:40:53.599,0:41:00.480
and i it's a it's a way of telling
we teach babies through rhymes through
0:41:00.480,0:41:03.440
poems
uh through a lot of fun activities
0:41:03.440,0:41:06.400
through a lot of motor sensory
activities we re
0:41:06.400,0:41:12.720
we train them to sign for certain
objects which they use in their daily
0:41:12.720,0:41:16.400
lives
and sign for certain activities also
0:41:16.400,0:41:20.400
like all done
after a meal or more after a meal so
0:41:20.400,0:41:24.640
when we teach babies that
it really reduces their frustration and
0:41:24.640,0:41:28.400
it really helps the parents too
so it's really a form of communication
0:41:28.400,0:41:32.640
between mom and child
full fledged parent intuition yes
0:41:32.640,0:41:36.079
full-fledged communication and it really
really helps you know
0:41:36.079,0:41:39.839
imagine a baby who's just crying crying
crying and the parents are like what's
0:41:39.839,0:41:43.200
wrong and if the baby can just point to
the ears
0:41:43.200,0:41:48.319
and you know make the sign of hurt that
means the ear is hurting and that's why
0:41:48.319,0:41:53.119
the baby is crying the lie life becomes
really simple the parent knows that it
0:41:53.119,0:41:55.680
the
what to say to the doctor or you know
0:41:55.680,0:42:00.800
what first aid to give to the baby
and that really works it really really
0:42:00.800,0:42:03.760
works you know
i have a very favorite story you know to
0:42:03.760,0:42:08.400
share
so um there was this uh mom and a
0:42:08.400,0:42:13.520
child uh you know they used to uh go
swimming every summer afternoon
0:42:13.520,0:42:16.960
and they used to go to their
neighborhood pool to swim
0:42:16.960,0:42:20.800
and the baby used to be in that little
pool
0:42:20.800,0:42:24.880
and every time the mom took the baby out
of the pool
0:42:24.880,0:42:28.800
you know when it was time to go home the
baby as soon as the baby got out of the
0:42:28.800,0:42:31.119
pool
and was you know kept out of the pool
0:42:31.119,0:42:34.960
the baby used to start crying
so the mother concluded that my baby
0:42:34.960,0:42:39.119
really loves swimming
and every time i have to pull the baby
0:42:39.119,0:42:42.560
out of the pool
a tantrum would come right so she used
0:42:42.560,0:42:46.240
to tell everyone that
the baby loves swimming so much and he
0:42:46.240,0:42:50.640
was around 14 months
okay 14 months of age yeah so he could
0:42:50.640,0:42:56.560
kind of walk with support
and so this pattern continued continued
0:42:56.560,0:42:59.680
and she started coming to sign language
classes as well
0:42:59.680,0:43:03.040
so uh in the sign language classes they
were taught
0:43:03.040,0:43:08.880
uh the very basic sign of heart
right so so the baby blows and that's
0:43:08.880,0:43:12.960
the sign of
a heart so uh
0:43:12.960,0:43:17.040
then the baby it continued it continued
the tantrums also continued around the
0:43:17.040,0:43:20.240
swimming pool
then one day when the mom she took the
0:43:20.240,0:43:24.720
baby out of the swimming pool
held his hand to walk towards the home
0:43:24.720,0:43:30.079
the baby actually started signing hot
and started blowing at his feet oh wow
0:43:30.079,0:43:33.599
that's when the mom
realized that it was not a tantrum
0:43:33.599,0:43:36.720
because the baby was being pulled out of
water but actually
0:43:36.720,0:43:41.359
the area around the swimming pool it
used to get very hot
0:43:41.359,0:43:46.000
because of the sun floored the the
concrete floor around the swimming pool
0:43:46.000,0:43:50.560
used to really get hot
and those little and after that the
0:43:50.560,0:43:55.440
grass continued and then the house but
the mom always wore flip-flops when
0:43:55.440,0:43:59.359
pulling the baby out of the pool but the
baby was always uh naked
0:43:59.359,0:44:03.280
uh feet when pulling we didn't wear any
slippers or any shoes
0:44:03.280,0:44:07.280
when being pulled out of the pool so the
baby actually the moment the
0:44:07.280,0:44:11.359
little feet hit the floor the baby used
to really the feet used to burn and the
0:44:11.359,0:44:15.280
baby used to
you know like really cry and cry but
0:44:15.280,0:44:18.400
there was no way the mom could guess
that it's just
0:44:18.400,0:44:23.359
those five six steps that is causing the
baby so much agony oh wow
0:44:23.359,0:44:26.800
so it's these little things that really
really
0:44:26.800,0:44:30.240
you know we just think that all the
babies are just being difficult or
0:44:30.240,0:44:33.119
they're just
being spoiled i don't know maybe they're
0:44:33.119,0:44:37.440
just trying to act
funny but no they they really have their
0:44:37.440,0:44:41.119
reasons
that's incredible to think that that
0:44:41.119,0:44:44.640
child or that baby was able to
communicate that actually his
0:44:44.640,0:44:48.240
feet were too hot yeah really interested
by this
0:44:48.240,0:44:55.680
it's really incredible to hear yeah
so i think this is a great place to end
0:44:55.680,0:45:00.400
pranjel so where's the best place
um for our listeners to find you and
0:45:00.400,0:45:04.000
how's the best play or where's the best
place to contact you
0:45:04.000,0:45:08.000
so i have a website it's uh
0:45:09.319,0:45:14.079
www.boomandbeyond.info
so or you can always drop me
0:45:14.079,0:45:19.359
an email at pranjal at
movementbeyond.info
0:45:19.359,0:45:26.800
i'm also on instagram uh my handle is
uh boom underscore and underscore beyond
0:45:26.800,0:45:32.960
so i'm i'm quite active on social media
so it won't be hard to you know catch me
0:45:32.960,0:45:37.760
somewhere i think i'll pop all of those
details in the show notes so
0:45:37.760,0:45:41.520
um if any of our listeners want to
actually get in contact it's really easy
0:45:41.520,0:45:44.560
they can find you in the show notes and
just click the links and they'll be able
0:45:44.560,0:45:47.520
to
get directly to all of those places and
0:45:47.520,0:45:50.880
i'll make sure that they're all in there
i want to thank you again for your time
0:45:50.880,0:45:55.359
today it was really
um informative and um lovely hearing
0:45:55.359,0:45:58.480
from you as well
and i'm sure we'll keep in touch and
0:45:58.480,0:46:02.480
maybe more to come
thank you so much it was my pleasure it
0:46:02.480,0:46:08.079
was lovely you know being on the show
thank you