The Mama Podcast

01. Pregnancy, Labour and Giving Birth in an Uber

July 19, 2020 Sumayya & Annam Episode 1
The Mama Podcast
01. Pregnancy, Labour and Giving Birth in an Uber
Show Notes Transcript

In this episode I am joined by my very good friend Annam Salim who I have known since University. Our careers took different paths but our friendship has remained the same and I couldn't think of anyone better to have with me on our very first episode. Annam has 2 children a 2 yr old and 5 yr old, we talk all about our pregnancies, births and labour. And don't worry I reveal all the details about how it happened in the car!

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hi mama you're listening to the mama

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my name is Sumayya and i'm the co-founder

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empowering women and we continue this

mission with this podcast


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in our very first episode i am joined by

my very good friend anim celine we talk


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all things pregnancy

birth labor and how i gave birth


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in an uber so let's get stuck in anam

has


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two children she has a son who's nearly

five


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and a daughter who's nearly two might as

well start from the beginning


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yes okay so pregnancy with my son um

i'll be honest it was not the most


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enjoyable experience

now the first i'd say 16 weeks


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i was actually pretty sick so i mean

look i'm sorry for all the information


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but vomiting about two three times a day

feeling nauseous i just was generally


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very very miserable

so all those stories of mothers glowing


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and really enjoying their pregnancy

they just seemed really really far away


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from how i was

um i managed to get through eating lots


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of crackers

and finding comfort that morning


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sickness was actually

very very common i wouldn't call it


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morning sickness though it was more like

all day sickness


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so people who say morning sickness is a

lie


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and it was tough i was working full time

as a dentist


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and sort of juggling a very very busy

schedule and feeling


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tired and sick was something that i did

really struggle with


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but around 16 weeks i began to feel much

much better


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and i was actually getting very very

excited to have my baby


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so i was in full nesting force

sorting out lots of things lots of


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shopping really excited

thinking about baby names all the things


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that you sort of

can think of the nice parts basically of


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having a baby um

there was a lot i didn't know so i spoke


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to other moms i read books

i took leisurely naps which are a thing


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of the past

um and yeah so i pretty much thought i


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knew everything um i went to all my

antenatal classes and read lots of


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things online

and i thought yeah this will be this


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will be fine

i'll be absolutely great and then


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yeah and then the birth story

so um when you did suffer from the


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the sickness did that make you feel

really low in mood


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or was it just kind of something you

knew that you just had to get through


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um i think for the first

so a few weeks i i saw it as something


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just to get through

and i was still very much excited about


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being pregnant

um but as the weeks went on and it


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wasn't really easing i did start to feel

very low because it really impacted my


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my lifestyle completely um you're not

just working but even just going out


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and socializing with friends going for

meals all of these things became


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somewhat of a challenge because i was

quite scared of of actually being sick


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and you know i can i can recall times

where


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i vomited in my car um

you know sometimes it was so spontaneous


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that i wasn't really

ready for it um i vomited at work even


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in a car park of a shop

um you know it sounds pretty awful and


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i'm i'm just blessed though that it

didn't get to the level where it was


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actually

hyperemesis where it was so bad that i


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had to go to hospital i managed to just

about


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just about avoid that and so

i guess that is a challenge in itself


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which

i mean my pregnancy was completely


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different to yours and i

didn't have many pregnancy symptoms as


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such i mean i had the

sort of tiredness in the first trimester


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and a little bit of heartburn towards

the end of pregnancy


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but for so even someone like me who has

experienced pregnancy


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that's quite interesting to hear because

i can't i mean i can't truly relate


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because it's not something i actually

experienced but i think


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it will be comforting for other moms to

hear that actually


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this is i mean normal in inverted commas

i guess because


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as much as it's normal it's it's okay to

feel


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low and it and and that's that's that's

how you


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people will feel yeah absolutely i think

some people may experience that yeah i


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think you know

like you were very blessed to have a


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good pregnancy

um and i think that you know that shows


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that there is a positive side and many

many people they will actually


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be fine um but i think we need to

recognize the other side that


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some people don't enjoy their

pregnancies um


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or they may not enjoy a certain part and

then they begin to


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you know to feel more comfortable with

it um and that's okay


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because you know we all experience

things in different ways and have


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different perceptions of how things are

yeah absolutely at least it eased up for


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you after 16 weeks and it did get better

was that the same with your daughter too


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yeah you know interestingly

um i would say that the pregnancies were


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pretty similar

um i think second time round


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it was i would say maybe i was very very

mildly


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less sick although it could have just

been that i was so busy running around


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after my

two-year-old that i wasn't really paying


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as much attention on my pregnancy as i

did with my first


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because you know when you've got ample

time and you just sort of


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with your first you just you concentrate

on every little thing you know you look


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at your app and you see

um this many weeks and this many days


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with my second pregnancy i was so busy

the weeks just sort of passed me by so


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in a way second one was easier

but also it was a little bit more tough


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just because i was juggling things

i've met people that have had different


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pregnancies with two different

um children so it's quite interesting


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that yours were pretty similar

the only thing i would say that was


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different i felt like my cravings were a

bit different


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interestingly they fit quite a lot with

this sort of


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the stories that people tell you so when

i was pregnant with my son i


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really really loved salt and vinegar

crisps and ready salted crisps like i


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just loved that kind of thing

and i went through many many and then


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with my daughter

i really really like sweet things so i


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was having lots of juices

and these little um strawberry sweets


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that i used to get and they used to

really help my sickness but i just


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really like the sweetness

i don't know whether there's a


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scientific backing to these different

cravings with a different gender but


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for me absolutely i felt that so it's

it's quite interesting you say that


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because my cravings were

completely different and i felt that my


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cravings

were potentially my body wanting a


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certain nutrient

and i don't know again whether this


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there's some scientific backing to this

but early pregnancy i used to


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like i would crave milk and then mid

pregnancy that sort of turned into


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oranges

where i thought my body may need vitamin


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c

and then later into pregnancy that


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turned into

um potatoes and chips specifically


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i thought it was because my body was

like growing and it needed the carbs and


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so i felt like it was potentially my

body needing


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it could be quite interesting that

everyone's cravings are so different


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right yeah definitely

i think it's um i think milk is a very


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common one actually even i went through

lots of milk


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um i think i found that it helped with

my heartburn as well i think


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one thing that i do want to point out as

well is that with my pregnancies both of


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them

i know how most people want to sort of


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wait until after 12 weeks

to tell people and that was my plan but


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with me being so sick

i did not have a choice i had to tell my


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work and i had to tell my family and

friends because


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it was very obvious that something was

was different and also


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i needed that support you know i think

this waits after 12 weeks because it's


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more of a

sort of a safer time and i completely


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understand that but at the same time i

think if you need


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support and you need to tell people then

tell them because being isolated and


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feeling

miserable are sort of the two worst


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things you can put together

and when i tell people i got lots of


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support and my colleagues at work were

great you know they were checking in on


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me bringing me cups of milk and

you know it was it was very very nice so


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i think sharing sometimes is the best

way to go


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if you need help yeah definitely i mean

i remember


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calling you literally after i did my

pregnancy test


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i remember for me it was it was nice to

have the support from very very early on


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yeah

definitely and we spoke about our


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pregnancies and trying to work out you

know


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is this normal is this not normal i just

like any bunch of friends and all you


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know sisters would do

yeah exactly part of the reason why we


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did this podcast because we want

everyone to feel that they've got


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someone listening to i mean i listen to

a lot of podcasts throughout my


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pregnancy and even now i spend a lot of

time listening to podcasts


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and i just feel like when i'm listening

it's it's like you're having a chat with


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somebody

yeah yeah definitely that's uh my


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pregnancy is

talked about so how how was your samaya


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so mine was

pretty different in that i didn't like i


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mentioned earlier i didn't really have

many symptoms as such


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um which luckily that meant that my life

didn't


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change drastically i have a huge

interest in wellness and fitness and so


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i continued working out for my whole

pregnancy that involved weight training


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and i pretty much did weight train

towards till towards


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the end so a few weeks before i was due

to give birth is when i actually stopped


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working out

in terms of weight training and i did


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take up prenatal yoga

as well which i have continued yoga


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since i've given birth

and like i fell in love with yoga during


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pregnancy

and towards the end of labor that sort


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of transitioned to walking lot so

because i was so into fitness and i knew


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the advantage of

um how walking would help labor and


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naturally induce labor as well i was

walking sort of three or four miles a


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day

um leading up yeah to the labor which


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but i mean at the time i was like i'd

taken my leave from work at that point


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so i had a bit more free time

i would put my hypno birthing um tracks


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on my phone

headphones would be on and i'd be off on


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my way for like a three

to four mile walk every single day


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that's great and i mean

i was in london at the time so the


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weather was really nice it was a really

nice time to be sort of enjoying


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the pregnancy and luckily i didn't have

many symptoms i was pretty small


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in terms of how i my pregnancy and how

much i was carrying


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so i know some people struggle towards

the end of pregnancy where they get like


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swollen feet or they've put on quite a

bit of weight and the weight holds them


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down

but luckily i mean i'm really blessed


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and really grateful that my pregnancy

was pretty straightforward


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and i could walk all the way to the end

that's great you know the fact that you


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could

carry on with your fitness and you


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stayed very active i think

that is great for your body and for your


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mind and i think

the hypno birthing sounds very


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interesting so i think that's something

we should definitely touch


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uh on a later podcast because i'd like

to hear all about it


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yes definitely we i think that's a big

topic in itself so it'll be good to sort


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of um

chat about that at some point and that


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guess leads us on to

labor and then yeah um do you want to


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sort of touch on your labor tell me

how how how is it different with the two


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it'll be really interesting to hear

actually okay


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so with my son um i

went into labor when i was 39 weeks and


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four days so i was due it was

sort of middle of may um the weather was


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gorgeous i was going for long walks

basically every day as much as i could


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and the day before i went into labor me

and my husband went for a long walk um


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just around our area

i was trying to sort of get my labor


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started because you know you sort of

read these things where


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the things you should do to try and

start labor and i was getting quite


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tired and

very big so i thought the sooner this


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baby comes the better

so we went for a long walk and then the


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next morning

around 5 a.m i woke up and i was having


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contractions and they were i wasn't i

was quite confused


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as to whether like what was going on as

in i thought it was contractions but


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obviously until you've had one you don't

really know


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if it's even a contraction right um yeah

so i waited like a sort of a lay in bed


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for like

a bit longer and then another one came


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and i woke my husband were you timing

them


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no not initially i just was just just

lying down trying to figure out like


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what's going on because i had had sort

of braxton hicks so you know the sort of


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the fake contractions before

so i thought is it just them um yeah and


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i was sort of half asleep as well so it

was a very


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yeah it was a very strange morning um

and then as they got worse i want my


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husband up

and he sort of obviously the men are


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just

more clueless than us really i mean they


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can't feel anything so they don't know

um and then i rang the hospital


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i told them and then they just said to

me just to


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hang on they said try a warm bath etc

and then i i felt like my waters had


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broken

but again i wasn't sure so i rang them


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again

and they just said okay if that's what


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you feel then come in

right because of course you know they


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don't want it to be too long until

like from the birth and three waters


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breaking so we went in and i remember

when my husband was driving in the car i


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think it was quite it was rush hour it

was about


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well about half seven um and you know

there was a bit of traffic and i was


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sort of

i was moaning in the car and i was like


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saying hurry up hurry up

because i'm going as fast as i can um


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and then we got to the hospital and when

we got there


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they they checked me and everything and

they said that i was around three


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centimeters so they said you can either

stay


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or you can go home so i just decided to

stay


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and then pretty much the the labor

progressed


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very well and quite quickly i had said

initially that i didn't want an epidural


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and i had made it quite clear because i

had a birth plan


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however when it got to a certain point i

was asking for one


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well i say asking i think i mean

shouting


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for one and um unfortunately you know

unfortunately and things were moving


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very fast so they couldn't give me an

epidural


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i was in the water and for most of the

labor and


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it was it was nice in terms of it was it

did help me


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um but i chose to give birth out of the

water on a bed


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right i just felt more secure and more

comfortable doing so everything went


0:14:42.160,0:14:45.600

well

and he was a lovely healthy baby


0:14:45.600,0:14:50.720

seven pounds eight um and yeah that's

that's it really i mean you know i think


0:14:50.720,0:14:55.360

until you actually go through that

experience yourself it's very hard to


0:14:55.360,0:15:00.079

to relate i did have my husband and

you know my family support and they were


0:15:00.079,0:15:04.000

great as well and

i think the first few days of of


0:15:04.000,0:15:07.760

motherhood

they are a haze and you are somewhat you


0:15:07.760,0:15:11.199

feel like you're in a dream

you know all the days are rolling into


0:15:11.199,0:15:13.600

one but ultimately you know it's a great

blessing


0:15:13.600,0:15:17.760

and everything everything was fine so

with your second baby it was different


0:15:17.760,0:15:22.000

and with um your daughter you had to

have a c-section


0:15:22.000,0:15:28.160

yes um and that's because she was breach

so she chose not to turn around


0:15:28.160,0:15:35.199

um quite stubbornly which she's still

quite stubborn um and so she was breach


0:15:35.199,0:15:38.079

presentation

and they they gave me options in


0:15:38.079,0:15:41.440

hospital they said that we could try to

turn her around or we could just book


0:15:41.440,0:15:46.320

you in for an elective c-section

um i i sort of put it in the doctor's


0:15:46.320,0:15:48.880

hands and i said well

you know you decide what's the best


0:15:48.880,0:15:52.800

thing to do so the consultant said

that he actually preferred not to try


0:15:52.800,0:15:56.399

and turn her around and said

a c-section would be the best way to go


0:15:56.399,0:15:59.519

so you know they're the expert so i said

that's fine


0:15:59.519,0:16:03.839

so we were booked in and interestingly

it was on it was when i was 39 weeks and


0:16:03.839,0:16:07.680

four days exactly like

my son and when i had the c-section


0:16:07.680,0:16:11.360

booked for

and again it went well you know very


0:16:11.360,0:16:15.920

surreal a different experience

quite clinical and you know being a


0:16:15.920,0:16:19.680

dentist

i do have some knowledge of surgical


0:16:19.680,0:16:22.480

things what they were saying and things

like that it was very interesting and


0:16:22.480,0:16:24.639

you know they were they were great they

were lovely


0:16:24.639,0:16:28.560

great team of midwives and obstetricians

and


0:16:28.560,0:16:32.480

everything went well and yeah so my

daughter was born seven palm too


0:16:32.480,0:16:36.800

and it was a very very surreal

experience so having experienced


0:16:36.800,0:16:40.959

both ways of of you know having a child

giving birth


0:16:40.959,0:16:44.800

i think they are very very different and

there's actually pros and cons to both


0:16:44.800,0:16:47.839

but either way you know they're both

very safe and


0:16:47.839,0:16:51.040

you get to meet your baby at the end

yeah and so


0:16:51.040,0:16:55.440

with your c-section did you have

skin-to-skin contact with your daughter


0:16:55.440,0:16:59.120

yes pretty much immediately after yes

and did you


0:16:59.120,0:17:03.040

opt for delayed cord cutting for either

of them do you know what no i didn't


0:17:03.040,0:17:06.319

i'll be honest i didn't

well with my son i didn't really know


0:17:06.319,0:17:11.360

much about it back then

and you were 26. i was 26 when i had my


0:17:11.360,0:17:15.679

son and i was 29 when i had my daughter

so with my son i didn't really know much


0:17:15.679,0:17:19.439

about it and then with my daughter it

was something that i was thinking about


0:17:19.439,0:17:22.160

but you know with the whole

procedure of the c-section and


0:17:22.160,0:17:25.679

everything going on it i just

sort of was just happy for them just to


0:17:25.679,0:17:27.919

do what it the way that they wanted to

do it


0:17:27.919,0:17:32.320

um it wasn't like a major thing for me

looking back perhaps i should have given


0:17:32.320,0:17:35.520

it more thought

if in the future i i choose to have


0:17:35.520,0:17:38.559

another one then

something i may consider that's amazing


0:17:38.559,0:17:41.280

that's i mean i was just curious i just

wondered whether


0:17:41.280,0:17:44.640

um you'd done it with either even i

didn't know that detail so now that you


0:17:44.640,0:17:47.679

know about mine

i think we need to tell everyone about


0:17:47.679,0:17:53.520

yours because your story

is very interesting and something which


0:17:53.520,0:17:58.799

made me very very shocked and surprised

and even to this day when i hear your


0:17:58.799,0:18:04.799

story like i learn new details

and i still can't believe it so go on


0:18:04.799,0:18:07.919

do you remember receiving the text

message when i sent you to say that i


0:18:07.919,0:18:12.960

was sat in john lewis

with my mom and my son and baby daughter


0:18:12.960,0:18:17.600

she was only like i think five

four or five weeks old and um


0:18:17.600,0:18:20.960

yeah i was we were having lunch and you

text me and literally


0:18:20.960,0:18:25.600

i just left my put my knife and fork

down and i just was reading my phone


0:18:25.600,0:18:30.400

yeah i think you need to tell everyone

it's everyone needs to hear this


0:18:30.400,0:18:33.919

so um i know you'll remember that at the

time i was


0:18:33.919,0:18:38.240

doing my postgraduate degree in

dentistry and so i actually had an exam


0:18:38.240,0:18:43.120

which was three days before my due date

luckily my daughter did hold off and she


0:18:43.120,0:18:46.320

waited till the day after the exam to

actually arrive


0:18:46.320,0:18:49.440

um but i hadn't felt anything until this

point i had


0:18:49.440,0:18:53.440

i mean i'm not aware of any contractions

maybe my body was having contractions


0:18:53.440,0:18:56.799

but i wasn't really aware

now looking back and in hindsight i


0:18:56.799,0:19:00.960

think oh maybe like that tightening that

i felt was probably a contraction


0:19:00.960,0:19:04.960

but at the time it was nothing to stop

me in my tracks you know i was going on


0:19:04.960,0:19:07.280

on

about my day as normal and there was


0:19:07.280,0:19:10.240

nothing that was happening in my body

that would stop me and i would think


0:19:10.240,0:19:13.840

oh that's something that i should be

aware of and then so


0:19:13.840,0:19:18.000

on the day that she was actually born

which was two days before my due date


0:19:18.000,0:19:22.320

i woke up in the morning as normal and

this was around 7 a.m


0:19:22.320,0:19:27.520

and then i had a show um so i called the

attendance department as you do


0:19:27.520,0:19:32.000

and spoke to a midwife and she said you

won't feel anything now for


0:19:32.000,0:19:35.120

for a while it may be days before you go

into labor


0:19:35.120,0:19:39.360

so i had my breakfast um because i

wasn't expecting anything to happen


0:19:39.360,0:19:42.640

i didn't have any contractions at this

point it was just a show


0:19:42.640,0:19:47.520

and so i had toast avocado eggs like my

favorite breakfast


0:19:47.520,0:19:51.200

um had a podcast i was listening to

happy babies happy births


0:19:51.200,0:19:54.960

and i carried on like with my day as i

would but this is like in a span


0:19:54.960,0:19:59.039

i'm talking about 10 minutes span like

this wasn't a long


0:19:59.039,0:20:04.080

time frame and then 10 minutes later i

felt something like tightening


0:20:04.080,0:20:07.520

quite intense tightening i woke up my

husband


0:20:07.520,0:20:11.200

because he was still asleep at this

point and at this stage


0:20:11.200,0:20:14.640

i still didn't know i was in labor like

i i just felt some tightening and i


0:20:14.640,0:20:18.080

thought this was my first contraction

it's going to take days before i give


0:20:18.080,0:20:21.919

birth you know there's like going to be

a gap and this might be i might not feel


0:20:21.919,0:20:25.039

anything for a while

but i did like pretty soon after i felt


0:20:25.039,0:20:29.120

another timing

at this point though neither of us had


0:20:29.120,0:20:32.320

realized what was going on so

we weren't timing anything and at this


0:20:32.320,0:20:35.120

stage i don't think we either we

we really knew that they were


0:20:35.120,0:20:39.360

contractions

right like we knew that i was in pain or


0:20:39.360,0:20:42.799

like it was uncomfortable because i

don't like to use the word pain but like


0:20:42.799,0:20:47.280

it was uncomfortable but

um yeah like we didn't know i was in


0:20:47.280,0:20:50.320

labor

i ran the like so i started the shower


0:20:50.320,0:20:53.360

thinking i'll go in the shower i'll help

with the discomfort


0:20:53.360,0:20:57.919

and my husband got dressed and they just

kept coming like i never actually ended


0:20:57.919,0:21:01.200

up getting into the shower because they

just kept coming and coming


0:21:01.200,0:21:06.799

and at this like we were still like very

bad at timing our contractions so i


0:21:06.799,0:21:10.159

would time one

my husband would time one then we'd miss


0:21:10.159,0:21:12.880

one

but they were happening like now


0:21:12.880,0:21:15.679

thinking back it was obviously because

they were happening so quickly that we


0:21:15.679,0:21:18.000

were

and we were rushing around to get things


0:21:18.000,0:21:20.880

together

and that we didn't realize that they


0:21:20.880,0:21:24.400

were happening so close together so at

what point did you


0:21:24.400,0:21:29.120

think okay i need to go so this was like

10 past seven


0:21:29.120,0:21:32.400

i probably woke him around ten past

seven quarters past seven at


0:21:32.400,0:21:36.159

half seven we called our doula because

we had a dealer book that was supposed


0:21:36.159,0:21:38.559

to like sort of guide me they'll help me

through


0:21:38.559,0:21:43.520

pregnancy and labor sorry and when my

husband called her


0:21:43.520,0:21:48.000

she she later told me it's because she

heard me in the background but she told


0:21:48.000,0:21:50.000

him

that we shouldn't wait around and we


0:21:50.000,0:21:53.440

should get to the hospital straight away

so she even said don't call the midwife


0:21:53.440,0:21:57.360

do you want to just

um just run through what a doula is for


0:21:57.360,0:22:02.480

some any listeners that might not know

so a doula is somebody that can support


0:22:02.480,0:22:05.919

you through

prenatal postnatal and labor so it's


0:22:05.919,0:22:11.120

they're not clinically trained

but they are there for emotional and


0:22:11.120,0:22:14.559

support they're just there for support

they don't do any of the medical stuff


0:22:14.559,0:22:17.280

they're just there to support you

through your labor


0:22:17.280,0:22:21.120

and it's a i guess it comes hand in hand

with hypno birthing


0:22:21.120,0:22:24.240

i mean you can't have a doula without

the hypno bear thing but it


0:22:24.240,0:22:28.640

i i felt after i did the hypno birthing

that i would like a doula as well


0:22:28.640,0:22:32.080

we don't live close to my family or my

husband's family at the time we weren't


0:22:32.080,0:22:35.760

close to

either of our families and so we didn't


0:22:35.760,0:22:39.360

really have much support

other than just having each other so we


0:22:39.360,0:22:42.960

opted to have a doula

um so she advised us to go straight to


0:22:42.960,0:22:45.679

the hospital so my husband ordered an

uber at this point


0:22:45.679,0:22:48.720

okay and that's when i mean i don't know

how long it took


0:22:48.720,0:22:52.080

the uber to arrive i probably i wasn't

really paying much attention to be


0:22:52.080,0:22:54.799

honest

i did make him though put my tens


0:22:54.799,0:22:59.039

machine on before we left

and i also changed into my labour dress


0:22:59.039,0:23:03.600

because i had a labor dress planned

we picked up my bag my hospital bag


0:23:03.600,0:23:06.080

which was packed from like the week

before


0:23:06.080,0:23:09.600

but we forgot my daughter's medical

notes


0:23:09.600,0:23:12.960

which he had to come back and collect

after all like the the whole sort of


0:23:12.960,0:23:16.240

process of labor happen because we

didn't have medical notes when we got to


0:23:16.240,0:23:19.360

the hospital

we left for the for the hospital when


0:23:19.360,0:23:23.440

the uber arrived when we were in the

in the car from that point on in the car


0:23:23.440,0:23:25.600

however

it was pretty early in the morning so


0:23:25.600,0:23:30.480

rush hour traffic in london

is pretty intense and so it did take us


0:23:30.480,0:23:34.159

much longer to get to the hospital than

what we'd originally planned


0:23:34.159,0:23:39.840

and i was progressing really quickly

and so i had my hypno bathing tracks on


0:23:39.840,0:23:42.880

which i'd put on from the morning

so they were still going i was in the


0:23:42.880,0:23:47.039

back of the taxi so my arms and my upper

body rested against the


0:23:47.039,0:23:51.279

the car door and then like so i was

pretty much on all fours


0:23:51.279,0:23:54.400

and then my husband was kind of like

leaving me to get through the


0:23:54.400,0:23:59.120

the surges because i think at the time

like like now thinking back


0:23:59.120,0:24:02.400

the hypno breathing really helped get

through the contractions


0:24:02.400,0:24:06.640

suddenly i just felt like the head and

it's it's strange until you go through


0:24:06.640,0:24:08.799

labor

now i mean you've been for natural labor


0:24:08.799,0:24:13.039

so you know what i mean when

like you can feel the head right yes


0:24:13.039,0:24:15.200

like you can feel the baby coming i said

to him that


0:24:15.200,0:24:18.559

she's coming she's coming i can feel the

baby coming and so he looked and he


0:24:18.559,0:24:22.240

could see the top of the head

wow so the next contraction came and so


0:24:22.240,0:24:24.960

the head was delivered my husband held

the head


0:24:24.960,0:24:28.640

and then i remember it's so strange that

i remember this really sort of


0:24:28.640,0:24:32.400

the conversation so clear to me even to

this day where he said


0:24:32.400,0:24:36.400

push the rest of her out push the rest

of her out i had to remind him


0:24:36.400,0:24:40.880

that the antenatal classes taught us to

wait for contractions before you push


0:24:40.880,0:24:44.480

so i said to him we have to wait for the

next contract when the next contraction


0:24:44.480,0:24:47.600

comes

out push and then so actually we


0:24:47.600,0:24:50.400

actually arrived a couple of minutes

away from the hospital


0:24:50.400,0:24:53.520

so on waterloo bridge road which is

literally the road


0:24:53.520,0:24:57.039

that turns into the main hospital car

park so we were


0:24:57.039,0:25:00.240

literally around the so you know before

we get to the bit where you actually


0:25:00.240,0:25:03.679

arrive

just tell me like what was the uber


0:25:03.679,0:25:07.279

driver doing

like i can't even imagine like what did


0:25:07.279,0:25:10.400

he say what did he

i mean i don't remember him saying much


0:25:10.400,0:25:14.080

i do remember at one point throughout

the journey like before i gave birth


0:25:14.080,0:25:18.880

i heard his voice and i remember asking

my husband later that


0:25:18.880,0:25:22.320

i did i thought he was on the phone to

somebody but because you're so like


0:25:22.320,0:25:26.640

involved in what's going on in your body

i didn't really pay attention


0:25:26.640,0:25:30.159

um but it's just so happened he was

actually praying


0:25:30.159,0:25:36.960

so he must have been quite like shocked

um so yeah i mean he was he's lovely and


0:25:36.960,0:25:41.120

we're still in touch with him and i

think he was really happy he felt like


0:25:41.120,0:25:44.720

it was a blessing at the time he was

probably quite surprised and shocked and


0:25:44.720,0:25:48.880

he carried on driving

we spoke to his wife afterwards and yes


0:25:48.880,0:25:51.360

it was a nice

i think it was a nice experience for him


0:25:51.360,0:25:56.240

because he felt possible that's amazing

so so then when you pulled up to the


0:25:56.240,0:25:58.480

hospital

like how did you get out of the car how


0:25:58.480,0:26:01.919

did you get into the hospital so i

i mean living in london like the london


0:26:01.919,0:26:05.440

hospitals are sort of tower blocks

i was still like baby in my husband's


0:26:05.440,0:26:08.960

hand umbilical cord still attached

placenta's still inside


0:26:08.960,0:26:12.000

so there's no way i was walking through

the hospital so i had to actually


0:26:12.000,0:26:15.919

convince the driver to take me to a

e so we we managed to get to the


0:26:15.919,0:26:19.200

entrance there was a paramedic stood

outside so my husband went and sort of


0:26:19.200,0:26:22.880

spoke to the paramedic

it was like a movie scene in my head he


0:26:22.880,0:26:25.919

was smoking a cigarette and

he threw the cigarette to the floor i


0:26:25.919,0:26:29.120

like ran inside the hospital

and then he came back out with the


0:26:29.120,0:26:31.840

doctor and a couple of nurses and a

stretcher and then when i


0:26:31.840,0:26:35.600

then got taken into the hospital into a

bed they checked me checked


0:26:35.600,0:26:39.360

my daughter and then the cord was cut

and i gave birth to


0:26:39.360,0:26:42.559

center after wow well do you know at

least


0:26:42.559,0:26:47.200

you know everything ended well that is

an amazing birth story


0:26:47.200,0:26:51.520

and it would be interesting to hear if

anyone else has had any experiences like


0:26:51.520,0:26:53.919

that

but i'm just glad that everything worked


0:26:53.919,0:26:57.919

out well and you and

baby are safe yeah and i think at the


0:26:57.919,0:27:00.320

time

it doesn't cross your mind and you kind


0:27:00.320,0:27:02.640

of just let your body and your instincts

just


0:27:02.640,0:27:06.880

do what it needs to but we're really

lucky that she was healthy and we had no


0:27:06.880,0:27:10.159

complications and

yeah like you mentioned it'd be really


0:27:10.159,0:27:12.960

interesting to hear other people's

stories to see if anybody


0:27:12.960,0:27:17.039

else has had something similar i'm sure

somebody else has given birth in a car


0:27:17.039,0:27:20.640

yeah or an airplane like somewhere like

traveling


0:27:20.640,0:27:23.840

yeah absolutely right so we're so

interesting to hear so


0:27:23.840,0:27:26.640

yeah if anybody wants to share their

story if you're a listener and you want


0:27:26.640,0:27:30.159

to share a story with us

then yeah get in contact we'd love to


0:27:30.159,0:27:34.320

hear it yeah brilliant

so i guess that leaves us with the end


0:27:34.320,0:27:38.720

of this episode right now because

we just wanted to share a little bit of


0:27:38.720,0:27:42.720

how we got to becoming mothers

and how many children we have and a


0:27:42.720,0:27:46.240

little bit about ourselves

i hope you have all enjoyed it you know


0:27:46.240,0:27:50.640

i'm sure that there are many many

things that people can relate to things


0:27:50.640,0:27:52.799

that they

like was similar things that were


0:27:52.799,0:27:57.919

different that the two stories of

my two births and samaya's story all


0:27:57.919,0:28:00.399

three of them are different

just goes to show there's so much


0:28:00.399,0:28:04.880

variation there's not really a normal

which is quite comforting yeah i agree


0:28:04.880,0:28:07.679

with that and i think if

one thing that i can give in terms of


0:28:07.679,0:28:10.399

advice to any mother or pregnant woman

that's


0:28:10.399,0:28:14.559

um due to give birth is have your birth

preferences be prepared because


0:28:14.559,0:28:16.399

obviously that makes you feel

comfortable


0:28:16.399,0:28:19.840

and secure because you'll feel prepared

but


0:28:19.840,0:28:23.120

be flexible because there's no way of

knowing


0:28:23.120,0:28:26.240

really where labour's going to take you

yes i think if you have


0:28:26.240,0:28:30.480

preferences as opposed to an actual

rigid birth plan


0:28:30.480,0:28:34.640

you are more likely to be sort of

happier with the outcome


0:28:34.640,0:28:37.840

because things don't always go as they

are planned


0:28:37.840,0:28:42.640

sometimes what we think is a good idea

is perhaps not one at the time


0:28:42.640,0:28:46.799

and i think it's important to trust in

the medical professionals that are


0:28:46.799,0:28:51.200

looking after you because

this is their job they know a lot more


0:28:51.200,0:28:53.679

than us

in terms of all these things and yeah


0:28:53.679,0:28:55.919

you know there is a there is mama

instinct as well


0:28:55.919,0:28:59.039

if there's anything that you feel that

you have to say or tell them


0:28:59.039,0:29:02.559

absolutely you know you make your

preferences and thoughts known


0:29:02.559,0:29:06.000

but the main thing is just making sure

that you and baby are safe


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and everybody's happy yeah exactly

realistic expectations i think and that


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follows through with motherhood as well

because


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i think it's so easy to get caught up in

what we think should be the right way


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yes but actually um your expectation may

be unrealistic yeah and trust in your


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body i guess i know as well like because

i think we hear a lot of negative birth


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stories and my like i i'm hoping

sharing my birth story shows people that


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actually your body does know

what it needs to do there was we had no


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medical support

women's bodies are amazing and


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our bodies are built for this you know

we


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we carry the children we give birth you

know we


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we have babies i think it just shows how

strong we really are and let's be honest


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if men had to do it i don't think we

could


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i think on that note we'll call it the

end of the episode and i'm hoping that


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you all

sort of join us again next week and


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we'll have a guest with us next time


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you